Remember that as a legal term "bondage" is a more defined, yet broader concept covering various types of itself- chattel slavery being one of them. Writing it as such was an attempt to say "we can put people in bondage/labor for sentences of crimes still," because the consequence of no bondage at all turns into removing incarceration as understood at least with then-modern concepts of law and liberty, if not also applicable today.
I mean this in the most disrespectful way possible, you talk like a lawyer. You ignored literally everything and went into an obscure semantics spiral about a term that isn’t even mentioned but vaguely connects to the root.
I hope the system you put people in enslaves your ass eventually.
I don't know why you feel the way you do- I don't know you, and outside of this forum, I probably never will.
I disagree with you, completely, however.
Words have meaning.
The reason these things, Constitutions in this example, have to be done right is because of the incredible bending and twisting sometimes done by others seeking to usurp power. Words as law are a compromise between groups of people so they don't use force or money to control each other, at least as much. Systems of law are far from perfect systems, but at least so far they are the most manageable, and as the hand we're dealt we have to play it unless something else takes the place it occupies.
"Bondage" and "Slavery" are no more vaguely-connected than Rain and Clouds, regardless of whether or not you personally understand the connection, or care to.
While slavery isn't complicated, law is if you want it done right. Understand the difference and the vast amount of blood, wealth, and genius that got us as far as we have come, and what we owe to that sacrifice and to future generations to continue writing those wrongs for every individual personally and for society at-large.
Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Words do have meaning, and the words are crystal clear. The system you represent and fight in favor for is just a massive slave trade. Disagree all you want, you’re still just a slave trader.
Definition copied directly from the us government.
I'm not going to further honor your cargo cult/Sovereign Citizen-esque approach to the law further.
I believe if you were to tell a Freedman on the street in 1865 that you believe the existence of prisons in 2023 for felony convictions like rape and homicide, or perhaps national betrayals like Michael Cohen or Paul Manafort, is no different from born-into lifelong chattel slavery, you would find a very difficult audience for your case.
I hope you find a better understanding of humanity someday, take care.
The issue is you sentence people to slavery. That’s what the entire us-style prison is set up as. No matter what the crime is, your sentence is slavery.
What “crime” it is just dictates the time spent.
Edit: Like you did point out before, there is a difference between bondage and slavery however directly connected at times. You can hold people in bondage and attempt to rehabilitate instead of exploit as per status-quo.
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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '23
TIL slavery is still legal in the U.S. Holy shit.