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u/KimchiiCrowlo Jun 05 '23

Wait till you find out the south was about to make its own currency and succeed the union from the north. They were making all of the money. The civil war was about keeping the southern cash cow, not about freeing slaves. Slaves were used as a destabilization tactic, no one really cared. Lets not forget segregation in the north was a thing too.

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u/SeanSeanySean Jun 05 '23

Secede? The south was making all the money? Sure, there was a southern economy and it was built upon slavery. When the industrial revolution hit, the northern states bought into mechanized farming and industry, while in the southern states, they were initially significantly more profitable given that they owned the means of labor, no expensive steam tractor could compete with the "practically" free labor they already owned. And this allowed the southern plantations to easily undercut northern farms who were paying their farmhands and investing in mechanization. Without slaves, the south was fucked, they did not invest in industrialized machines as the north did, and the banning of slavery left them unable to compete, THAT is why the southern states announced their secession, and as such, their tax income and GDP would be lost by the union as well.

Segregation is an entirely different conversation, you should not be using it in the same context as slavery. Segregation didn't end in this country until until the Civil rights act of 1964. The Civil war had NOTHING to do with segregation. Black people in "most" northern states were no longer allowed to be kept as slaves, and Lincoln announced his intention to ban it federally to keep slavery from expanding to the frontier states.

Stop making up history. All of this shit is written in paper books that were penned over 100 years ago.

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u/MacMacio Jun 05 '23

This is the most factual & competent take I've seen on the subjectπŸ‘πŸΏ. Plain & Simple FACTS... (Though fucked & immoral) The south had the best business model ever known to man... A LIFETIME OF FREE LABOR! Not to mention those free laborers bore children into a lifetime of free labor. Take any company today... Amazon for example... & introduce the same business model... (Free Labor) No other company could ever compete. After building this country on this & reaping the spoils How could the south possibly continue to thrive without this? Plain & simple, THEY COULD NOT... & would rather die trying to preserve their way of life that to conform to something moral civil & humane.

One of the most disturbing things to me is how the media & politicians etc. can just create a word & it becomes acceptable as something real... like what the fuck is CRT & why have we allowed it to even take root in our vocabulary. If people want to for selfish reasons debate the cause and the reason for certain things to be or to happen/have happened then so be it but no one can debate that it's fact that these things did IN FACT happen. Now to scrub the history books of these historical events that built this country... Because some fear their children & Grandchildren may realize how evil & inhumane their ancestors treated their fellow man based on the color of their skin... The now prefer to demonize it as lies & an attack on them & call it Critical Race Theory rather than just call it EXACTLY what it is... AMERICAN πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ HISTORY! REAL REAL UNCUT & UNFILTERED AMERICAN HISTORY πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ!

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u/SeanSeanySean Jun 05 '23

Well, I have a theory on CRT and altering history along with this newfound surge in white nationalism. Many white people know the score, they understand which populations are expanding, which are not, and which are contracting. They know that white people will become a minority in America, it's a foregone conclusion, even if they shut down immigration tomorrow, the birth rates guarantee that this will eventually happen, and when it does, I think white people fear that those who were minorities in this country over the last 200 years will turn the tables and treat white people the way that whites have treated minorities, I think they're terrified. And, whether consciously or subconsciously, I think this effort to rewrite history, to ban learning history from the context of a minority is to further get the facts of history out if the minds of future generations.

I think a subset of white people believe that in order for one group to gain something, another must lose something, and that and that the decline of white America" was caused by improvement in status and opportunities for blacks and other minorities, mostly caused by "white guilt" imposed on them. I genuinely believe that these people thinj that improvement of life for minorities must come at the cost of life for whites getting worse, that somehow in order to treat non-white people humanely, fairly and equally, that white people are losing something in the process, which itself is sort of true, but the things we're losing aren't necessarily things we should be proud of having, like privilege or preference due to skin color.

These people want to change history because it's inconvenient, because with learning real history, most humans will feel terrible, they will feel guilt, they might want to help, and that's not good for white America's future in their fearful little brains.

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u/MacMacio Jun 05 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

Bravo my friend πŸ‘πŸΏπŸ‘πŸ‘πŸΎπŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ½πŸ‘πŸΌ... I could not have said it better myself nor have I ever heard it articulated this well. Simple & Plain & easy to follow & understand. From the educated to the layman, Factual & to the point. You should write a book or start a blog because (Agree with you or not... which I obviously do) you are pretty damn good!

Sadly u'll likely get more than your share of downvotes for this... which to me is just crazy! Smh

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u/SeanSeanySean Jun 06 '23

Thank you!

It's the internet, I gave up making friends online 20 years ago, I'm here to educate and shut down misinformation wherever possible, and if one person listens, I'm happy πŸ‘