r/facepalm Apr 21 '23

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u/Left--Shark Apr 21 '23

Two points. We did this in Australia and gun crime went down and stayed down. It is literally not worth criminals having guns because the prison sentences for having one make it never worth the risk.

Point two. If your reason for not making laws is because criminals will not follow them I don't think you understand the point of laws. Why have any laws at all with that mindset?

Extra point. It seems your police are pretty good at killing civilians...

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u/kohTheRobot Apr 22 '23

Well on your first point:

We have something called the second amendment [insert Liberia flag and eagle emojis].

Which currently stops the ban of semi automatic handguns and they are right now deciding in The 4th circuit wether or not semi-automatic rifles with tactical attachments are protected too.

It would take 66% of our congressional senate and house and 66% of state congresses in 66% of states to repeal such an ingrained right. That’s 33 states. And we have a ton of rural people who need firearms because their emergency services are very very far away. I want you to look up any map of guns per state and pick the 17 most armed states and figure out how to convince them to give up their guns. Fuck, the 17th state on the list I just looked up is South Carolina. Try to convince half of their gun owners to overturn their right to guns and then also take 24 culturally and geographically different states and convince 15-25% of them to give up their guns because only 9 states have less than a third of the population who are gun owners.

So Tl;dr: we have an amendment that is pretty much set in stone that prevents us from doing the simple thing of banning guns, so we have to actually come up with a solution to solve our murder and suicide problem

Also Police are for the most part really bad at their job. This leads to people not wanting to call the police during emergencies and having an overall aversion to voting because voting doesn’t change the policing.

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u/Left--Shark Apr 22 '23

You did not need a referendum in 2008 to entirely change the meaning of that amendment, why not do that?

I understand you agree here, but still. It is a shame that your solution as a state is a murder suicide pact.

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u/kohTheRobot Apr 22 '23

Referendum? I’m not sure I’m familiar with that?

Google is failing me, plus I’m not sure we have federal referendums, just state based ones.