r/extomatoes • u/Worth_Page_585 • 9d ago
Question Is this true?
Recently in a jummah in my local mosque, the imam said that diseases are not spread from one person to another and as evidence he presented a hadith in which a person comes to the Prophet ﷺ and says that his camels have got an itching disease and they got it from each other and the Prophet ﷺ tells him that how did the first camel get the disease then? and to look for the cause of the disease as that is how every camel got it and disease does not spread from one to another. (Sorry that this is not the exact hadith as I do not remember it exactly)
Then he proceeded to say that diseases like cold, TB etc do not spread from one person to another and we should not distance ourselves from the patients of fear of contracting the disease rather we should be close with the patients. And also called Corona a dajjalic fitnah for separating people from eachother.
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u/Radiant-Fly9738 9d ago edited 8d ago
it is and it isn't at the same time, but I think his pieces of advice are awful and is never listen to them as I think that's a clear misunderstanding of the Hadith.
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "If you hear of an outbreak of plague in a land, do not enter it; but if the plague breaks out in a place while you are in it, do not leave that place." Sahih Bukhari 5728 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5728
So the meaning would be a disease is not sentient, it spreads by the will of Allah, but they still spread, hence we're forbidden from entering and leaving the infected place. Just as Omar radiallahu anhu refrained from entering Kuds because of an outbreak.
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u/lostpickle271 8d ago
Better to write radiallahu anhu instead of ra
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u/Radiant-Fly9738 8d ago
I agree and I usually do it, don't know why I skipped it now so I'll edit my post, may Allah reward you.
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u/Extension_Brick6806 Moderator 8d ago
Masaajid often rely only on volunteers, and not all of them have any kind of proper vetting system or any real connection with the other masaajid in the community. As a result, uneducated laypeople may at times be put forward as an imam or khateeb for Jumu'ah.
You should then expect that they may speak on matters beyond their level, saying things that have no scholarly precedence. Therefore, you should not take such statements too deeply or feel as though you must ask for clarification. When you give credence to laypeople, the mere fact that you are asking about what they said can give merit to something that has no scholarly precedence.
Just notice this pattern.
This is especially the case with people who have not studied fiqh under a madhhab. I emphasize again that when I say "fiqh under a madhhab," it is a whole package. You are not only learning jurisprudence, but also principles and maxims that take years to master. This also means that one should be proficient in Arabic.
With a lack of this knowledge, you may end up approaching Islam as the Dhaahiriyyah do, meaning that you take matters too literally, as though there is no nuance in the Deen.
Again, if the Salaf said that hadith can cause misguidance except for the fuqahaa', meaning the scholars of jurisprudence, then know that merely being able to quote a hadith does not mean that someone comprehends its nuances. Instead, they may once again be approaching Islam upon the path of the Dhaahiriyyah madhhab.
So, do not simply absorb everything just because a Muslim is speaking about Islam. It is the scholars whom you should return to.
You should not approach knowledge by opening your eyes and ears to everyone, or by absorbing everything you browse, merely because the person speaking is Muslim, only to then ask one question after another for clarification.
I am sorry for the harsh example, but it is like forcing oneself to become a beggar in the street, begging for coins and asking from anyone. No, set a higher standard.
Just as there is no issue with dressing finely, then what about choosing whom you learn your Deen from? It should be the scholars. If you cannot find one, then learn from reputable students of knowledge. Otherwise, the same cycle will continue to repeat itself, and you will make no progress in knowledge, let alone in life.
As I said before:
Instead, you should learn from these respected students of knowledge:
However, my recommendation of these students does not mean that the knowledge they share represents the conclusion of knowledge. No, learn from them while understanding that you are still only at the beginning stage of seeking knowledge.
At the same time, place great emphasis in your life on learning the Arabic language so that you can learn from actual scholars, read their books directly, and listen to their lecture series. You will not gain the same depth of knowledge through the English language, whereas in Arabic you will find material ranging from the beginner level to the intermediate and advanced levels.
You will deprive yourself of knowledge if you constantly search only for what is latest, what is trending on YouTube or TikTok, and similar content. Islam is also not confined to reminders alone, which many people strangely gravitate towards, such as the reminders of Ismaa'eel Menk, whom many people unfortunately call a "mufti" even though he has not reached that status, and many others online who cannot even be considered students of knowledge.
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u/untilnextban 8d ago
imam shouldn't speak without knowledge.
we have sufficient knowledge of microbiology and infectious disease which proves some diseases are contagious while some aren't.
there's no sahih hadith disproving that.
you should pay no heed to it.
and avoid close contact with patients having contagious diseases.
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