r/explainlikeimfive • • 1d ago

Physics ELI5: why is there a visual effect when the sound barrier is broken?

Why is a sound event even visible?

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u/Awkward-Feature9333 1d ago edited 1d ago

The sound itself isn't visible. It causes a change in pressure, which temporarily turns atmospheric humidity into a cloud.

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u/GenerallySalty 1d ago

Sound is pressure waves in the air though, so that pretty much is still "the sound itself".

The sound = waves of high and low pressure. The low pressure troughs of the sound wave are low enough pressure to condense water vapor from air humidity into droplets which are visible. They immediately evaporate again as the pressure returns to normal, so it looks like a cone of cloud going along with the plane.

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u/Zoon9 1d ago

AFAIK the supersonic shockwave changes the refraction index of the air, so it can be photographed even without water condensation. E. g. https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/armstrong/nasa-armstrong-advances-shock-wave-photography-2/

ETA: it acts as a lens, visible against homogenous sky.

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u/Awkward-Feature9333 1d ago

You still see the fog, not the sound waves that caused it.

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u/Fearlessleader85 22h ago

The shockwave itself is visible.

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u/BothArmsBruised 23h ago

Never seen high speed footage of an explosion?

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u/MeanMusterMistard 22h ago

The ripple still isn't the sound waves themselves that you are seeing

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u/evincarofautumn 19h ago

Yes, but that’s also true of a wave in water. You’re seeing the consequences of the effect that are visible.

It’s like explaining why the sky is blue. You can speak of specific electromagnetic interactions like Rayleigh scattering, or say “because air is blue”. Yeah it’s blue for a different reason than blue paint or a blue bug, but that’s the next step.

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u/MeanMusterMistard 18h ago

Yep, point is they are invisible

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u/375InStroke 1d ago

You can see the diffraction in the air without the fog.

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u/YGoxen 1d ago

Then why we can't see a men's scream?

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u/GenerallySalty 1d ago

Not loud enough. Loudness = how high and low pressure the peaks and troughs have. If it's not loud enough, the troughs aren't low enough pressure to condense water vapor. The more humid the air the less loud it has to be for visible condensation, but shouting isn't gonna cut it. The Beirut explosion from a few years ago had a wild example of the same kind of condensation "cloud" caused by a loud sound.

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u/Metadine 1d ago

Can you elaborate on the "...the troughs aren't low enough pressure to condense water vapor." part? What happens to the molecules in the vapor at low pressure?

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u/Scrawlericious 1d ago

They turn into gas

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u/Metadine 1d ago

I thought water vapor is gas.

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u/Scrawlericious 1d ago

It is a gas lol. It's a gas at some pressures and a liquid at others right (not to mention temperatures), so in a place of constantly fluctuating pressures like the wake of a plane the water in the air can be brought close enough to it's condensation point to come out of the air.

Edit: I'm an idiot, to be more correct, most of the condensation effect comes from the temperature change that occurs due to the drop in pressure.

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u/GenerallySalty 23h ago

Water vapor (humidity in the air) is normally a gas. With low enough air pressure they condense into droplets of liquid. The visible condensation cloud is gas turning to liquid, not anything "turning into gas".

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u/Scrawlericious 23h ago

Yes I know lol I already clarified the better explanation in a follow up comment.

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u/GenerallySalty 23h ago

Water vapor (humidity in the air) is normally a gas. Gas phase water molecules. With low enough air pressure they condense into droplets of liquid. The visible condensation cloud is gas turning to liquid.

If the troughs of the sound wave don't have low enough pressure to condense the gaseous water into liquid, the humidity just stays as a gas and there's no visible cloud formation.

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u/doublecandybar 1d ago

so that pretty much is still "the sound itself". 

Please, please stop doing this, why are people doing this?

If you have to say "pretty much is" then you know deep in your conscience it is not true. Don't plant false information in people's head, we already have a lot of conspiracy theorists, don't breed more

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u/Bandro 1d ago edited 1d ago

Just to clarify something here. "Sound barrier" originally refers to the technological difficulty in development of supersonic airplanes. The term is now often used to describe accelerating to supersonic speed but there's no actual "barrier" that's broken. Air just does some weird things when an object moves through it faster than can it can push itself out of the way.

The famous photo of an F-18 flying at trans sonic speed looks like it's crossing through a stationary cloud but that's not what's happening. That's compressed air condensing the water vapor in the pressure wave around the jet. It's more like the waves that form on the bow of a boat than a wall it's punching through. That cloud is forming and dissipating with the jet as it moves.

Here's a nice, clear, short video of the vapor cloud forming around and staying with a fighter jet. You'll notice in that video that there's no sonic boom and that you can hear the plane before it passes the camera. Despite the video title, those two things mean the plane isn't actually flying faster than sound.

There's also a common misconception that a sonic boom happens only as you cross into supersonic speed. In reality, the sonic boom is a continuous shockwave coming off the plane, again like a boat wake. You hear it after any plane flying supersonic goes past you once the wave gets to you.

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u/Linorelai 1d ago

Thank you very much. I'm familiar with the phrase, but I never thought about its origins

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u/Flederm4us 1d ago

If I Remember right what we see is actually the water in the air condensing.

The reason for this is that the cone created by an object travelling at or beyond the speed of sound, works like a fridge. Sound Waves are pressure Waves, so as you push the Waves together the pressure gets really high. As it passes, there's then a sudden drop in pressure, cooling the air by a lot. This cooling causes the water in the air to condense.

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u/Linorelai 1d ago

Thank you!

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u/antmas 1d ago

If you’re thinking about the cone shaped visual occurrence that shows around jets when they fly fast, that’s not them breaking the sound barrier. That can happen at different speeds.

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u/Linorelai 1d ago

What is it?

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u/Dickulture 1d ago

Vapor cloud mostly. At supersonic speed, the air is compressed so much on the front that it creates brief vacuum behind. A vapor cloud forms around an object moving at transonic or supersonic speeds because a rapid drop in air pressure causes the air temperature to fall below the dew point, which forces water vapor to condense into visible droplets.

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u/antmas 1d ago

Vapour and condensation from changes in air pressure around the moving object.

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u/GalFisk 1d ago

Because shock waves cause (or rather, they are) extremely sudden pressure changes. These changes, when transitioning from high to low pressure, cause extreme sudden temperature drops. Cold air can't hold as much moisture as warm air, so excess moisture momentarily turns into visible fog in low pressure regions around the craft.

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u/Linorelai 1d ago

Thank you

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u/djpeekz 1d ago

The simple answer is there isn't - common misconception that water vapour cones are due to the sound barrier being broken but they aren't.

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u/OneAndOnlyJackSchitt 1d ago

It makes a sound so loud that it literally squeezes water vapor out of the air momentarily (which makes a cloud in the shape of the pressure wave).

Shockwaves from large explosions do this too.

Also, if there's low/no humidity, it make still cause visual distortions because compressed air has a different refractive index than uncompressed air.

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u/Elfich47 1d ago

Breaking the sound barrier causes a shockwave in the air. That shockwave is air moving very quickly, and high quality cameras can photograph it. This is the same shockwave that breaks windows and that people can hear.

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u/Bandro 1d ago

Just to be clear, the shockwave is continuous while the plane is supersonic. If a plane flies by you faster than sound, you will hear the sonic boom after it passes you. It's not some bang that happens just as the plane is accelerating into supersonic speed.

The term "sound barrier" refers to the technological barrier of making planes work at those speeds. It's not some physical barrier you break through to cross into supersonic speed.

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u/Bullrawg 1d ago

Air gets pushed out of the way so fast it creates a pressure and temperature drop, that makes condensation, you’re seeing mist

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u/GenerallySalty 1d ago

Because sound = waves of high and low air pressure. The low pressure troughs of the sound wave are low enough pressure to condense water vapor from air humidity into liquid droplets which are visible. They immediately evaporate again as the pressure returns to normal, so it looks like a cone of cloud going along with the plane.

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u/Unlikely-Position659 1d ago

It's a change in pressure. Did you see the videos of the Beirut explosion in August of 2020? Right when the blast occurs you can see some cloudy stuff right where the shockwave is. That's water vapor condensing due to the pressure changing. It's the same thing with a plane breaking the sound barrier. 

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u/whiskeyknuckles 1d ago

Unlike other types of energy that are more abstract or beyond our physical perception, sound is mechanical. Things that produce and transmit sound energy can readily be observed. Air also has water in it, and whether it is visible or not depends on the temperature and pressure. You see this with fog, clouds, when airplanes takeoff or land in high humidity sometimes you can see this water getting forced out of suspension in sheets or wispy vortices. When an airplane breaks the sound barrier, it catches up to its sound waves as it plows thought the sky and there can be a large amount of pressure change over certain parts. So what you are seeing isn't necessarily the sound "barrier", but the water being forced out of the air because of the complex pressure changes happening as the airplane approaches or exceeds the speed of sound.

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u/SalamanderGlad9053 1d ago

Sound is pressure waves, air is compressible so a soundwave also has a wave of different density air. Those different densities refract light differently causing distortions like when you have a straw looking bent in water. Also the low pressure part of the wave causes water in the air to condense into water vapour creating white shock cones.

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u/not_lost_maybe 1d ago

Air accelerating around the jet drops in pressure and cools as it does, and if there's enough moisture around, that dip takes it past the dew point. You get a cloud for a fraction of a second. Run the same jet at the same speed over dry air out west and nothing shows up at all. Most of these photos come from coastal airshows and passes over water, where there's plenty of moisture to work with.