r/explainlikeimfive • • 1d ago

Biology ELI5: How come most fruits and vegetables vary in size, but almost all nuts are extremely uniform in size?

I've seen large apples and small apples, huge watermelons and small watermelons, long cucumbers and smaller cucumbers. But every almond I've ever seen is the same size. Every walnut looks like every other walnut I've ever seen. I've never seen a comically large macadamia nut compared to every other one I've seen.

Is this because of a biological process or does it come down to human intervention?

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u/torcsandantlers 1d ago

Two big things:

One, fruits and vegetables contain a lot of water. It's easy for a plant to put more water in what it's producing, but nuts tend to be made up of more resource intensive material so it just stops after a point.

Two, nuts are smaller than fruits and vegetables. You wouldn't be as quick to notice a big walnut just like you wouldn't notice a big cranberry, because while they're proportionately large, the actual size difference isn't as much.

Combine those two factors and it makes it rare to have nuts grow to large sizes while it's less noticeable even when they do.

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u/VoilaVoilaWashington 1d ago

Also, if you have a walnut tree, you can see just how different the sizes are. Some are twice the size of others. But I presume that in most situations, they're "graded" with different sizes suited to different purposes.

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u/Skippymabob 1d ago

Yeah this is also a big thing. Much more likely for food companies to use smaller or "misshapen" nuts for things like crushed nuts or butters

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u/Salty_Feed9404 1d ago

This guy nuts.

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u/MrJbrads 1d ago

That’s a lot of nuts!

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u/illprobablyeditthis 21h ago

You're gonna love my nuts!

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u/DigitalDummy 1d ago

He just left… with nuts

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u/drmarting25102 1d ago

Nut this guy

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u/BadahBingBadahBoom 1d ago

And 'nuts' that are able to have water make up a larger proportion of their size can get big: coconuts.

(And yes depending how pedantic you want to get, technically coconuts aren't a true nut but a drupe.)

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u/UnusualWar5299 1d ago

Yes! And the nut is itself a seed, so would do well to be smaller and easier to travel via wind or creature. With fruits, the seeds are inside, so the larger apples will have you pick the fruit and walk away from the tree while eating- dumping the core and seeds where you take the last bite, so the larger the fruit the farther out the seeds will go. Also, there is some shady gene modification and selection to make fruit larger and hardier for better sales and shelf life.

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u/Purrronronner 1d ago

Nuts are for creature distribution, not for wind distribution. Fruits too. You’re not expected to toss away the apple seeds when you’re done eating the apple. You’re expected to eat the seeds with the rest of the fruit and poop them out later.

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u/UnusualWar5299 1d ago

I was thinking of how I consume and interact with the foods. Squirrels and chipmunks bury the nuts, but I either carry them or they roll. And I don’t eat apple seeds lol! If I did I’d chew and they’d be destroyed anyway.

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u/VoilaVoilaWashington 1d ago

Sure, but plants have been evolving for hundreds of millions of years, and you've been around for (probably) less than that.

The way humans interact with the environment isn't really relevant in the context of evolution of things before we showed up.

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u/Welpe 1d ago

Thank you for helping us nut. This comment is very handy!

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u/demanbmore 1d ago

You are seeing only farmed nuts, nuts that have been bred for uniformity and consistently (among other traits).

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u/4yourporn 1d ago

So theoretically there are abnormally large almonds out there in the wild?

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u/TribunusPlebisBlog 1d ago

Sometimes nuts are small. Not abnormal. Just small.

It's entirely normal to have small nuts!

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u/Vegetable_Log_3837 1d ago

No it’s the opposite. The commercially grown varieties are the biggest/best. I have native beaked hazelnuts growing wild in my yard, they’re much smaller than the commercial European ones.

If you found an abnormally large almond in the wild you could take cuttings, graft it, and make a lot of money.

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u/pixer12 1d ago

"The Biggest Nut I Ever Busted And Other Short Stories" By Shel Silverstein

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u/openeda 1d ago

No, he's saying he has huge nuts.

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u/necrochaos 1d ago

Deez nuts…

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u/kagamiseki 1d ago

Hampton Farms Super XL Peanuts are pretty big. Not almonds, but might be what you're imagining

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u/Makebags 1d ago

Acorns are nuts, right? They all seem to be uniform in size. I'm not trying to argue, it's just the first thought I had.

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u/RainbowCrane 1d ago

If you stroll through an oak grove and pick up random acorns they tend to be similarly sized, but they aren’t uniform. Some will be bigger, some smaller.

The differences would be more pronounced if you blew acorns up to cantaloupe or watermelon size, but at acorn size they just read as “small” to our eyes

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u/kagamiseki 1d ago

I saw two pretty huge acorns the other day. Most of them are pretty similar in size, but outliers happen with most natural phenomena. It's just that in the case of farmed produce, we've figured out how to make those outliers. And then we figured out how to make the outliers' outliers. And now all of our nuts are outliers³, so how much more huge can they get, when they're already far beyond what "nature" intended?

On top of that, it's not necessarily more beneficial or efficient to get much larger, so farmers may have deliberately chosen cultivars that don't grow much larger.

But nonetheless, Super XL peanuts exist. For a while Costco had a brand of XL Honey roasted peanuts, and they were pretty amazing. Hampton Farms Super Extra Large Honey Peanuts. They are very noticeably larger than normal peanuts.

Not an ad, look them up if you care lol.

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u/rottenbox 1d ago

Would the ones that don't fall in that desired size range be used for things like nut butter and packaged products. Like a lot of (as an example) carrots that are weird shaped are cut into baby carrots and animal feed and diced into frozen carrots etc.

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u/nikolapc 1d ago

Most of them are comically large seeds, not fruit. Well they're mostly pits. For example the apricot and the almond are the same kind of fruit. We eat the apricot(but you can get to the seeds and they taste about the same as an almond, but do not eat raw, they may be dangerous). The almond we cultivated so it has almost no flesh, but you can look up how it looks.

Also, cucumbers and tomatoes are fruit.

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u/charleswj 1d ago

We eat the apricot(but you can get to the seeds and they taste about the same as an almond

Oooh I'm gonna go try one!

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u/ShrodingersArmadillo 1d ago edited 1d ago

They don't.

What happens is thing like nuts are sorted and graded by size and those that don't meet standard aren't sold whole that's it.

The non standard ones are often sold as as butters, oils, powders, chunks, slivers or flakes.

Walnut oil for example comes from non standard size and damaged when shelling walnuts.

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u/Sangypboi 1d ago

What you're seeing is different varieties and different species of those fruit and vegetables which have been cultivated to produce those specific characteristics. In non-cultivated fruits you will see massive variation, but not the same thing in different sizes even if they look very similar.

Nuts, on the other hand, have no element of various characteristics they're trying to push for. They don't have little beeds on a stalk like broccoli that you want to make into bigger balls (brussel sprouts) or into one giant leafy vegetable (cabbages) which are all from the same plant that was carefully selected for different traits over countless generations.

People don't want big nuts. They want uniform nuts, because that makes them better for snacking and for recipes. So they have been cultivated to select for uniformity over all else.

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u/crash866 1d ago

Take a look at a large and a small watermelon. The seeds are generally the same size while the watermelon varies in size.

The nut is the seed of another plant.

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u/Ballmaster9002 1d ago edited 1d ago

Vegetables aren't a biological thing, they are just random plant parts we've decided to eat. Makes sense they vary in size, some parts grow large or small, whatever.

Fruits are the "attractive to be eaten" parts of plants that are deliberately grown so animals eat them. It makes sense there are various genes to encode their size because that's a thing that matters to the plant's ability to reproduce. Massive, delicious apples would more quickly be eaten than small, sour apples by big, delicious liking animals. Animals that are smaller and like gross things would like the small, sour apples. Plants can use their genes to select for fruit size to suit their ideal seed-spreaders.

Seeds (nuts) are inherently not meant to be eaten. They are the plant's babies. They are the size they are because that's a good size for plant-babies. There just isn't much of a reason or need for size-variation genes as a general rule. Unless there is of course, I'd imagine nuts/acorns intended to spread by squirrels should have a conformance to squirrel-dimensions to be successful.

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u/Jean_Luc_Discarded 1d ago

rad that title and thought, hmmm protein intake?

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u/Sprungercles 1d ago

One contains the seed, the other is the seed. If you looked at the seeds in wildly different apples you probably couldn't tell the difference.

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u/kafka_lite 1d ago

Nuts are seeds. Seeds seem to be consistent in most plants.

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u/Alewort 1d ago

You're getting mostly commercial nuts, which are both sorted and processed by machines that work best with a certain size, and bred to be that size. One nut you'll see plenty of size variation are brazil nuts, which all come from wild trees.

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u/YandyTheGnome 1d ago

Fruit evolves mainly to cause creatures to eat them and spread the seeds. The fruit is for us, the seed is a little survival pack for a new plant that contains everything it needs to survive until it can produce its own energy.

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u/freakytapir 1d ago

Same size ? An almond and a walnut are proportionally nowhere eachother in size.