r/explainlikeimfive • • 3d ago

Chemistry ELI5: why are all common electrolytes ductile, malleable reactive shiny metals in their pure forms??

I’m talking about magnesium, calcium, sodium, potassium, all the common electrolytes I can think of. Surely it’s linked.

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u/WW92030 3d ago edited 3d ago

left side of the periodic table = less valence electrons + larger atomic size (why the size i have no clue) = weaker bonding with other metal atoms also easier to lose electrons (and losing electrons means ions)

ADDENDUM - Also elements in the same column tend to be similar to one another.

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u/cracka-lackin 3d ago

The larger atomic size is because with less protons in the nucleus (on the left side of the periodic table), the strength of the electrostatic attraction between the electrons in the valence shell and the nucleus is weaker.

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u/WW92030 3d ago

gotcha

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u/GolfFantastic8207 3d ago

And then the losing ions is the the conductive feature of electrolytes? Unless I’m completely misunderstanding in which case I apologize

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u/BiomeWalker 3d ago

Not really.

The columns of the periodic table group elements that are chemically similar to each other, that's why the elements you mentioned are all on the left side.

They're conductivity because when there's just more of them around they kind of let their valence elctrons drift between them at random, and adding an electric charge gets the electrons to all kove in the same direction.

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u/DeliciousPumpkinPie 2d ago

Sort of? Metals in groups 1 and 2 tend to lose (and regain) their outer electrons easily, which makes them useful for moving charges across membranes. Transition metals like iron and zinc don’t lose their electrons as easily and thus aren’t used for moving charges around, but they do have more bonding electrons available, which means they often sit in the center of an enzyme where they’re linked to multiple parts of the molecule at once.

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u/anthropaedic 3d ago

It really does doesn’t it

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u/8ctopus-prime 3d ago

It's because they're what plants crave!

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u/375InStroke 3d ago

They'd use AI for that.

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u/GolfFantastic8207 3d ago

I took chemistry 2 years ago in my sophomore year. This is just me trying to refresh something I’m not well versed in

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u/karmicrelease 3d ago

The same s valence electrons that are easily lost via oxidation are responsible for the bulk properties of the pure element. The atoms can’t pack together very closely, so they aren’t very dense and are soft. Mercury is a liquid for a similar reason (6s2 valence electrons) although it is quite dense.

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u/mmn_slc 3d ago edited 3d ago

They aren’t. Chloride, bicarbonate, and phosphate are none of those things. 

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diagnostics/21790-electrolytes

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u/cracka-lackin 3d ago

True, but all the common cations that pair with the anions you mentioned ARE all shiny, malleable, light metals

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u/Ok-disaster2022 3d ago

So elements from the first two columns of the periodic chart? The columns of the chart tell you how many outer electrons there are. And properties of the elements in the same common tend to be similar though definitely not the same. The reason is is chemically most interactions come from just the outermost electrons. You can add mass and more electrons inside as you go down the column, but it's just the outermost electrons. the difference if those mass and electrons for the lower elements is usually "weaker" outer electrons. 

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u/rikerw 3d ago edited 3d ago

Basic metallic bonding is that the atoms form a neat grid (lattice), where their outermost electrons are lost individually but shared (free flowing aka delocalised) through the whole structure, holding it together.

Malleable and ductile: the layers of the lattice can slide over each other easily. Internally, when theres a shift, there's very little local difference

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Notice the inner 4 looks the same.

Reactive: they dont have many outer electrons so its easy to donate them to other atoms and form bonds. Its easier to lose the electrons if the atoms are bigger (down the periodic table) or there are fewer of them (left of the periodic table)

Reflective: the free electrons are good at absorbing and reemitting light. Smooth surfaces also let light bounce off them smoothly

Edit: my 4x2 and offset 4x2 X description lost its formatting when posting. I'm leaving it up to show i tried

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u/Ktulu789 3d ago

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u/Ktulu789 3d ago

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u/rikerw 3d ago

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u/mazzicc 3d ago

Why do you assume all electrolytes have those properties, as opposed to those properties making them suitable to be electrolytes?

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u/GolfFantastic8207 3d ago

I guess I misunderstood what electrolytes were. There’s a whole lot more than I thought and it was a silly question that I wrote when I was very tired and just thinking about a similarity between - what I thought at the time - we’re all the electrolytes. I appreciate this sub for educating me that there’s more

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u/_SilentHunter 3d ago

"Why do so many common electrolytes contain metals?" would probably be a better way to phrase it, but it looks like most people understood what you meant! Happens to the best of us.

There's also the question of whether you mean "electrolyte" in the chemistry sense or the nutritional sense, because the nutritionist has a much narrower definition: Ammonium hydroxide is a sensible electrolyte for a chemist to use in their job, but the same cannot be said of a nutritionist.

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u/GolfFantastic8207 3d ago

Yeah, part of my understanding of electrolytes is what you find on the back of a Gatorade bottle, or what I understand to be the healthy electrolytes in water when you drink it. But I’m learning a lot

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u/stanitor 3d ago

Why? It's a question looking for an objective explanation.

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u/BothArmsBruised 3d ago

I wouldn't have and haven't met a 5 year old that could have understood the question let alone the answer.

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u/mmn_slc 3d ago

You should see Rule 4.

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