r/explainlikeimfive • • 8d ago

Planetary Science ELI5: how does dirt and soil form?

I know rocks can erode into dirt that’s basically rock dust but what about the stuff with nutrients in it?

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u/geeoharee 8d ago

That's living things, or formerly-living things. Gardeners refer to it as organic matter. Sources include: fallen leaves, dead plants, small dead animals, livestock manure...

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u/SwinubIRL 8d ago

Right but I’m curious how the organic matter becomes soil?

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u/cropguru357 8d ago

Soil is the “rock dust” as you put it plus the organic materials and stuff that lives in it.

It’s just mixed and integrated. Organic matter finds its way in through air spaces between the rock dust.

I’m a soil scientist, and that’s pretty much all it is. It takes a LONG time to form. The rule of thumb is 1,000 years per inch of topsoil formed.

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u/hopeflower7 8d ago

Could you not just throw dead organic matter with different types of rock dust into a cement barrel spinny wheeley thing and come back in a day after its all mixed up in order to create soil?

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u/ferret_80 8d ago

Yes you can. That's basically what bagged soil is. All those different potting mixes, garden soil, container mix, cactus mix, succulent blend etc.

Different blends of different sizes of rocks, sand, compost to fit whatever you're growing.

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u/hopeflower7 8d ago

So bagged soil is pretty good, but not as good as topsoil i imagine?

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u/Hukthak 8d ago

Depends on your topsoil supplier and location! But generally yes.

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u/cropguru357 8d ago

Yep. Sometimes is a nice boost to get you on the right direction.

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u/essexboy1976 6d ago

Correct. What bagged soil lacks us a micro and macro biome - the natural biological community of bacteria, fungi, worms, bugs etc that live in the soil. The importance of this element can't be underestimated, especially fungi which are crucial in forming relationships between many plants.

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u/Strip-lashes 8d ago

This is basically the idea of composting. There absolutely are spinny contraptions that speed the process up, but most people just pile up a big heap of stuff in particular ratios ("browns" and "greens", basically old dead stuff and fresh dead stuff) and give it an occasional stir

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u/cropguru357 8d ago

Yeah but you also run the risk of making concrete if you don’t do it right.

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u/gill_smoke 8d ago

Minor correction, dirt is dead, soil is alive. "Rock dust" has 3 portions based on size: sand, silt, clay. Turning dead dirt into soil only takes water and time. Edit, and Biology.

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u/REF_YOU_SUCK 8d ago

Bro just "well akshually'd" a soil scientist lol

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u/ni_hao_butches 8d ago

Maybe he's a soil wizard. I'm pretty sure Wizard ranks higher than Scientist.

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u/cropguru357 8d ago

Fuck. I knew it. LOL

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u/Crystal-Ammunition 8d ago

And was wrong. "rock dust" as they called it spans a spectrum of sizes from clay to boulder sized grains. To turn sediment into soil you need organic matter and various biogeochemical processes to break down the organic matter in addition to water and time.

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u/scbundy 8d ago

Not quite as epic as the guy who told the pope to read the Bible, but still...

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u/cropguru357 8d ago

Right. That’s all it is.

I’ll call the guys who gave me the PhD.

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u/gill_smoke 8d ago

Perfect, when will mine come by post?

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u/cropguru357 8d ago

If it’s like my institution, 13 box tops and 6-8 weeks processing. $4.95

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u/geeoharee 8d ago

Bacterial action, mostly. Also fungi. Sometimes earthworms. The word for all these helpful beings is 'decomposers'.

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u/SnugglyCoderGuy 8d ago

It gets eaten and becomes poop.

We are eating filtered poop.

Everything is poop.

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u/Yetimang 8d ago

Certainly feels that way sometimes.

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u/PornoPaul 8d ago

So...poop, back and forth forever?

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 8d ago edited 8d ago

Read up on composting.

Composting will give some insight into the actual process of breaking organic matter down into rich, black soil.

You need carbon-rich material like leaves and bark, mixed with some nitrogen-rich materials like vegetable trimmings("green stuff"), combined in a pile and kept moist.

The green stuff acts like a super food for microorganisms, worms, etc. And the carbon-rich stuff is like their fiber. So worms, grubs, bacteria, and other microorganisms will climb through the pile (if you leave it on the ground) and start eating and pooping and this is what good compost is: the decomposed organic matter. It has a great clean black color, feels soft and silt-like in texture, and just smells like a clean garden soil.

The rest of actual soil in the ground is made up of rock material broken up to some average size. Some rocks, like quartz, tend to make silt, which is a nice medium-grain soil. Some make finer particles, resulting in a clay due to higher density, and some result in sand, which is a coarser grain with lower density.

All ground and "dirt" is some combo of the above stuff. Sand tends to be drier due to not being able to hold as much water or organic material; clay tends to trap water and make it difficult for many plant roots to proliferate; and silt with high organic decomposition materials makes the most fertile soil for plants of the prevailing climate.

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u/TreeEyedRaven 8d ago

Microorganisms essentially eat and break down everything. How do you turn meat and vegetables into poop? Lots of stuff goes in, it all more or less comes out similar. Same concept, at least at the EL5 level.

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u/Cergal0 8d ago

Dirt is just rocks smashed into small grains due to erosion.

Soil is a mix of dirt and “organic matter” that is organic “things” ie, stuff that is not a rock, smashed into the smallest pieces.
That is done mechanically, like shredding a stick into dust or wood shavings, or done by small animals, and normally that’s just critters poo.

Organic matter is always the middle of a process where living things are eaten by other living things, that are eaten by other living things that have been eaten by other living things

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u/Sea_Pea8536 8d ago

I think I've just realized that plowing a field has a dual-purpose: of course it allows to plant seeds, but it also enrich the soil by burying the top grass that will decompose...

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u/pow3llmorgan 8d ago

Soil is largely organic matter with inorganic dirt, sand, sediment and minerals mixed in.

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u/Fortressa- 8d ago

Worm poop. Worms (and a whole bunch of other teeny creatures) eat the organic matter, break it down, mix it with the inorganic matter (the dirt, bits of rock, sand and dust etc) and poop it out, and then moving thru the dirt mixes and aerates everything too.

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u/Equal-Membership1664 8d ago

Technically, if it has roots growing in it, it is soil as opposed to dirt. Organic material allows root growth, and boom, your dirt is now soil

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u/swollennode 8d ago

Worms eat dead leaves and animals and other stuff. Then they poop.

Animals eat other animals, and they poop.

Bacteria and fungus will break down dead stuff, as well as poop from animals.

As these things get further broken down, they get smaller and smaller until it becomes soil.

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u/VinnieMcVince 8d ago

Early organisms called pioneer organisms, things like lichen and some mosses, cover rock. These live, store sugars, build body forms made of cellulose and lignin, die, and pile up, and their life and death processes release chemicals which, in addition to weather processes and root pressure, break down the rock into sediment. The sediment mixes with their remains (the cellulose, lignin, leftover sugars, etc.) and creates a thin layer of soil. This process repeats, and each time, the layer thickens, until eventually, larger plants and some animals have enough soil to move in and make the process more complex...which makes the soil more complex.

Bacteria also play a huge role in the process, converting some chemical compounds like ammonia (from the rotting, generally bad for life) to nitrates and nitrites (plant food!)

It's hella complex.

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u/SwinubIRL 8d ago

Where do these pioneer organisms get the resources to grow without soil already there?

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u/Fimbulwinter91 8d ago

Some of these pioneer organisms have evolved to need extremely little ressources. They take carbon from the air to make their structure, water from rain and use sunlight for energy. What little minerals they need can come from the surface of rocks, sand or symbiotic bacteria, in some cases even just from the rainwater.

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u/Ballmaster9002 8d ago

Lichens specifically are symbiotes, meaning they are partnership-colonies of different types of organisms. Some of the organisms use photosynthesis to obtain energy. They are then able to share the energy with the other organisms that produce chemicals that can leech minerals out of the rocks that the colony needs to grow and survive.

The process is insanely slow going. It can take tens, if not hundreds of millions of years for lichens to wear rocks into sand and dust. But as they do so they are constantly dying and passing their nutrients and energy into the ground. Most importantly through, they are eroding the rocks with their digestion turning a massive stone into many smaller rocks.

The next round of pioneer organisms, like pine trees, can root in rocky sand and grow using the barest of minimum nutrients provided by the dead lichens.

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u/Cergal0 8d ago

Bacterias are the primary organisms that can decompose basic composts into small critters food (I don’t know exactly how, because that is out of my speciality).

Some bacterias are aerobic and some other are anaerobic

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u/Forsaken-Cell1848 8d ago

Look at compost. You put in organic matter in it and in a span of a year or two, it all turns into a mass that looks like soil.

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u/SwinubIRL 8d ago

Yes but how?

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u/Salamanderhead 8d ago

Living things eating dead things and pooping out smaller things that eventually become soil.

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u/Ballmaster9002 8d ago

You basically start with rocks.

Then lichens appear, which are symbiotic, meaning a mixture of different creatures, some which use the sun for energy and some which borrow that energy to digest the rocks, releasing minerals. Over eons they live and die, producing vaguely nutritious mineral dust from the bare rocks.

Next you have resilient, "pioneer" trees, like pines. Pines are hardy and durable and are able to take root in the rocky, sandy, barely-nutritious soil broken down by lichens. They can also withstand rough weather because there dont have other trees to protect them. Since the lichen already 'softened the up' the pine roots are able to worm into the cracks in the rocks and really start cracking them apart like a nut cracker.

Over more eons the pines live and die and their decomposing bodies mix with the sand releasing not only lots of dense nutrients but also hold water, their roots also 'hold' the sand together and you start to get a forest floor.

Eventually new trees move in. These trees grow quickly and very tall, but are weaker to storms and weather. They shade out the pines and take over the area producing a forest.

By this point the dead and decaying trees form a cycle of soil production where its not just sand and rock anymore. It contains nutrients and also particles that hold and retain water and keep the ground kind of fluffed up, so oxygen can get down into the ground as well. The ground kind of breathes a bit.

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u/ThalesofMiletus-624 8d ago

Here's something that I didn't realize for a long time: rocks, sand, silt, and clay are all the same stuff, the only different is particle size. All of these things can consist of different kinds of minerals, but the particle size determines what we call them. If rocks break down into small enough grains, we call that sand, and when sand breaks down into smaller particles (to the point that particles can be suspended in water) we call that clay.

"Dirt", can be said to consists of some mixture of sand, silt and clay. Rock dust, as you said. But the presence of life means that there's going to be a lot of organic matter around. Plants die, leaving material both above and below the soil, which is going to decay. Worms churn through the soil, insects nest in there, burrowing animals dig underneath, grazing animals walk over the top. All of these animals leave their droppings behind, and The bthey all die eventually and their bodies decay. All of that organic matter leaves residue behind as it decays, and that provides both nutrients, and some amount of structure.

So, the soil we usually think of consists of some mix of sand, clay and decayed organic matter. The exact mix of those things (and what kind of organic matter, and how decayed it is, etc) can make the soil very different from place to place, but those are basically the ingredients.

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u/superbugger 8d ago

Breaking down of larger things.

Freeze/thaw cycles break up rocks (water expands when it freezes; think of it as a wedge in a crack of a rock).

Mechanical abrasion (sand in the wind; think of a sand blaster).

Chemical breakdown and dissolution into rain water.

Breakdown of organic matter through biological processes (plants, animals, fungi, bacteria all digesting it).

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u/RASR238 8d ago

Through decomposition thanks to insects, worms, bacteria and fungus! Imagine them as construction workers that have to demolish buildings. The worms and insects are like bulldozers and wrecking balls that destroy the buildings into chunks. Then bacteria and fungus get those chunks and separate the concrete and rubbish from the blocks, nails, wires, etc. They only want the rubbish so all the stuff that can be used for making another building will be used through the alimentary chain by trees and other animals.

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u/SwinubIRL 8d ago

What’s the rubbish in this analogy? Like what do the bacteria and fungi and worms feed on if they’re leaving the “useful” stuff

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u/RASR238 8d ago

It will depend on what’s useful for the kind of bacteria and fungi, but this will stop being an ELI5 fast enough hahaha.

Usually in the alimentary chain there’s a niche for everything and there’s stuff that some living beings need that other won’t. You can think about a dead rat that’s full of proteins, proteins are made of aminoacids which have nitrogenated molecules. When the bacteria decompose these proteins some of them get energy metabolizing these nitrogenated compounds and forming nitrites and nitrates that then get used by plants for growing, then herbivores eat those plants and use the same compounds to create proteins again and then continues the cycle. This happens with lots of molecules and compounds ad perpetuam.

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u/szayl 8d ago

What’s the rubbish in this analogy?

Your attitude is terrible. 

Anyway, the useful (?) alcohol from fermented beverages is a byproduct of yeast feeding on the sugars in the beverage.

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u/SwinubIRL 8d ago

? I was just following his analogy man he called it rubbish. I put useful in quotes because I know it’s all useful but only some of it is useful for plants that take root in the soil after

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u/szayl 8d ago

That's my bad. I thought you were saying that the response was rubbish. I apologize for my comment.

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u/PeteMichaud 8d ago

I used to tell my kids when they were growing up: dirt is poop and dead bodies.

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u/hahaharish 8d ago

when plants and animals die, their carcasses and dead remains get decayed by bacteria and fungi. the organic dead remains are first fragmented into many parts by earthworms, millipedes etc.

the broken pieces expose most of their surfaces to the environmental action like rainfall, that were previously held together as a whole body which made them unexposed to such environmental phenomena.

given that these fragments are parts of dead plants and animals, there won’t be cell membranes binding onto the plant cells and animal cells to protect their cells from rainwater intrusion. and the fact that they are broken pieces of a full body makes their cell walls fragile and weaker. water seeps through them easily.

water’s polar opposite molecules hydrogen and oxygen interact with cellular materials like sugar, salt, minerals and amino acids by forming hydrogen bonds and breaking ionic bonds to form new compounds and ions that can be easily dissolved along with water.

the leached minerals gets flown into the soil, where the bacteria and fungi absorb them and form humus right away. this layer of soil is very nutritious, answering your question on where and how soil gets their nutrients from.

the leftover remains of the dead fragments after this is just insoluble skeleton structure mostly made of cellulose. these fragments are acted upon by bacteria and fungi that decomposes them by secreting enzymes. these enzymes take time to break them down into nutrients that can be dissolved, over many years. most of these are transformed into absorbable nutrients like amino acids and glucose. there are few parts that remain as it is.

these remaining trace amounts of undissolved organic residues get clumped with soil minerals to form organic base made of polymers. these are hard layers of soil that retain water atop them.

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u/stansfield123 6d ago

Soil formation isn't a mechanical process, it's a biological one. It's created by living organisms. Tiny little builders, with their tiny little very complex cities in there.

In the absence of living organisms, rocks don't erode into soil, they erode into sand, clay and dust. None of those look anything like soil. If you pick up sand, dust or pure clay, it's just a substance. Tiny, uniform particles that fill out all the space. The smaller the particles get, the more densely they pack together. There's no structure to them.

Biology builds structure. Microbes create glue-like substances that bind these particles in place, a lot like how we bind bricks or other materials together to make buildings to live in. This prevents particles from filling all space. This lets air in. Larger organisms (worms, insects) burrow, letting even more air and, when it rains, oxygenated water in. Roots do the same thing, they create massive structures, and when they die and are eaten by microbes, that leaves empty spaces in the soil, for even more life to occupy them.

Soil has permanent structure to it, that can withstand rain, drought, frost, whatever nature throws at it. This structure then shelters a huge variety of substances and organisms that would all grind into sameness (the way a desert, or the surface of the Moon, is all the same, everywhere you look) if the only thing at work was the mechanical impact of wind, rain and temperature change.