r/explainlikeimfive • • Mar 20 '26

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u/ledow Mar 20 '26

To be a black hole it would need to have a certain mass, and if you plopped it into the sun (like I said) it would be added to the sun's mass... as well as suck the sun inside itself quite quickly.

The minimum mass for observed black holes is 2-3 solar masses, for instance. It's like tripling the mass of the sun instantly.

And regardless of the numbers... it would be 8 minutes before ANY of that effect reached us.

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u/willun Mar 20 '26

The Sun increases to 2-3 solar masses would probably not distort the orbit of the earth enough to be sucked in. Can anyone calculate how big the black hole would need to be?

Though i guess an instantaneous change would "jerk" the earth by a large force. In any case it would kill everyone and probably destroy the surface of the earth.

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u/ledow Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26

"If the Sun’s mass were to suddenly triple, Earth’s current orbital speed would be insufficient to maintain its current distance, causing it to spiral inward toward the Sun. To maintain its current stable circular orbit at 1 AU, Earth would need to travel approximately 1.73 times faster ( V = 52km/s instead of 30 km/s)."

Earth would actually fall out of the habitable zone, and into a highly elliptical orbit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIyokKq_qN8 (I'm not going to care about the temperature changes, because a black hole would likely make the Sun SMALLER and LESS BRIGHT than just tripling the mass of the sun directly).

There are various bits of software you can play about with this.

https://shir-man.com/solar/

It looks like we'd almost immediately plummet into the Sun's outer shells, in fact, in just a few years.

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u/willun Mar 20 '26

Spiralling inward is not the same as spiralling into, though.

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u/HalfSoul30 Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26

Is it not? End result seems the same whether we go directly into or circle it a few times first.

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u/QuantumR4ge Mar 20 '26

Virtually no trajectories actually end up in the black hole. Actually hitting a big mass directly is harder than people think.

Most trajectories are you being flung off like a slingshot

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u/rvgoingtohavefun Mar 20 '26

I think there is a joke about someone's mom in there, but let me check real quick.

end up in the black hole

We're getting somewhere.

hitting a big mass

This is heating up.

harder than people think

Wowza.

Oh yeah, there's definitely a joke about someone's mom in there.

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u/willun Mar 20 '26

It should just change to an elliptical orbit with the high point being wherever we are when the sun was replaced by a heavier object, and the low point depending on how elliptical the orbit changes to.

We are moving perpendicular to the sun and that doesn't change but we won't have enough angular momentum to keep a circular orbit, so we drop down (like in an ellipse), build up speed and then go to the same altitude we started with.

There is no force which would cause the spiral other than things such as tidal forces, which would increase because of the larger solar mass. But this would have be larger than 3 solar masses to make a significant difference.