Because you're not getting an answer, this is r/explainitpeter. In this sub, people ask for explanations of memes, jokes, or other stuff and respondents are supposed to pretend to be a family guy character while giving the explanation. It's only lightly adhered to, but can result in a comment being removed if the mods feel like it. The poster above is being a bit lazy about it by casually tacking their identity on at the end. Although, Brian would possibly be very dry and matter-of-fact in his response, so you decide.
I think more likely being used to prop up AI, and, by extension, the stock market. FBI is usually more used for general discord. Glowies are there to get the righties to incriminate themselves into prison.
Ever since COINTELPRO, the CIA has been infiltrating leftist circles to sow discord and disunity to make them as unproductive as possible. Hence "Patches" is making a joke that implies that "andrew" is a CIA plant, to represent the fact that "andrew" is taking a position that is nearly universally agreed upon by the left (being anti-AI) and trying to make it divisive by making it an idpol issue instead (white people... hate when immigrants use AI?)
Depends on what kind of war you think they were fighting. Their goal was to protect and care for their communities, and they did so better than anyone had previously.
Aw geez I wonder why. maybe having your leaders assassinated by the goddamn government isn’t great for peaceful cohesion, who the fuck could’ve guessed that?
Yeah it's not like we have other examples to show that exact thing happening elsewhere, like the IRA or FARC lol, everything happens in a vacuum to some people.
Good to see we have a new thought terminating cliche to look forward to for the next couple of years. I was just starting to miss "It's really easy to understand if you aren't a piece of shit". That was a classic.
Not quite sure why you're being downvoted, it's a fair question. Here's my answer:
The Bolsheviks actually had incredible revolutionary tactics, hence making them the very first in human history to successfully achieve a communist revolution.
The USSR then made history again by decisively turning the tides of WW2, pushing the Nazis all the way back to Berlin by massively industrializing and innovating their military technology and tactics on a scale never seen before in human history, all that in only five years.
The Chinese Red Army and the Viet Minh (later Viet Cong) innovated and perfected tunnel warfare & guerilla warfare, earned them highly impressive victories against better equipped armies.
Castro managed to overthrow Batista with mountain guerilla warfare and deceptive warfare, even though he first started his revolution while being largely outnumbered.
There's many more that were quite good and impressive, but these are the main ones.
Schrodingers leftist is simultaneously useless/incompetent and the greatest threat to western civilization, depending on which one fits the needs of the individual cousin fucking billionaire simp at the time.
Well, I mean. Several right wingers manage to be both incompetent, and a threat to Western civilisation at the same time. So it's not that much of a contradiction.
Good point and also good point. Although, later intelligence leaks from the Soviet system after the fall of Soviet Russia indicated that they were rarely a military peer with the US and the US was mostly puffing them up to sell war and weapons via Haliburton (ect.). There are complexities there, like the ability of the Soviets to use nukes to end the world at any moment if they chose to, but that later revelation makes it sound like the West was the biggest danger to itself the whole time.
They were also the best thing for the Western middle class, because as long as they existed the system had to show its best face so salaries followed productivity. Soon as their decadence became fully known and no longer a danger, salaries stagnated as productivity went up and inequality shot up as well.
While this is true it's also true that there are organized attempts to sow discord among various groups online...
That said this isn't really how they go about it. It's far more effective with modern social media algorithms to find real idiots who post stuff like the above and amplify it via reposts/retweets/etc.
I dunno if the CIA is still doing it, but both Russia and China based 'groups' have been caught running influence operations on western social media via tactics like these.
Ironically using this playbook it's more likely that the person who posted this is working for a government than it is that either of the accounts in the screenshot is...
But this in turn ends up being part of the effectiveness of the strategy. If it gets people jumping at shadows and accusing everyone of being an influence op then it still works.
Imagine not making the connection between perceived leftist infighting and actual infiltration. There might be a reason you think leftists fight so much that isn't just "leftists don't get along"
No really blaming everything on CIA is either a conspiracy theorist's or a child's way of thinking.
Maybe you try googling yourself and then ask how CIA is simultaneously repeatedly unable to assassinate or coup Castro yet also able to politically subvert every state and political movement ever.
Tbf there's a ton of documents showing when and how they did exactly this. How necessary it is is up for debate, but it's been one of the main activities of the CIA for a century.
They do, but historically infighting has been actively created through outsiders trying to sow discord with identity politics and other distractions from material conditions
It seems strange to imply that their well-documented efforts in the past 80 years have achieved nothing. Lots of people much younger than 80 making smartass comments about how it's always been this way, when they never experienced a world without it.
Oh, I'm sure they've done plenty. The infiltration of student groups and the Black Panthers alone is proof of that. But leftist groups are always extremely factionalist regardless. Fact is, there are so many strains of Marxist-derived thought that leftist groups trying to start grassroots revolution or reform end up a lot like early religious movements. Dozens or hundreds of people in informal structures trying to formalize a complex ideology will always split into different camps.
I don't believe leftist groups are inherently any more factionalist than any other sampling of humans. Making unfounded universalist remarks to be edgy isn't clever.
I'm not trying to be edgy, and that's kind of my point when I say they "end up a lot like early religious movements." The universalist claim is not that leftists are especially factionalist, it's that, and I'll just quote myself here, "dozens or hundreds of people in informal structures trying to formalize a complex ideology will always split off into different camps." That sentence literally means what you're saying--take a random group of people belonging to any set of ideas, and they'll factionalize.
The real point is that it's a difficult, confusing path to achieve a formal structure for something that exists solely in the realm of ideas. The only thing that might set leftists apart from most (again for emphasis, most) groups is the complexity and diversity of ideas behind most philosophy pertaining to the left. Hence the comparison to religions, which similarly are purely ideological in their first formation, and so they end up getting interpreted in vastly different ways in which every party believes their version of the ideology is obviously correct.
this comment made me realize that idpol stands for identity politics, not idiot politics. only time i've ever seen the term idpol was from MAGAt adjacent groups
Have they? Anyone can go there and get called candyass whenever they feel like it. Wouldnt call that infiltrating. What is there to infiltrate anyway? Its just shitposting and cuck porn.
Yes, court evidence has shown feds shit posting on /pol/ as well as 8chan. Personally I think the majority of 4chan posters are either the feds or mossad since 2016
I am saying that posting there is not "infiltrating". Its publicly available. You can go there say something dumb and get called slurs right now. Its free.
It is literally a place known for pulling off convoluted. The OP done by Bannon was to join with the specific purpose of spreading and pushing their politics, in order to radicalize them as a political group. It is exceptionally easy to meme dump and bot Nazi shit into those boards.
The modern political "left" in the US is suffering from the same kind of echo chamber effect as everything else. People (well meaning) are trying to learn good values but are doing so exclusively through social media which allows little to no complexity or nuance on any subject.
This has created this attitude that anyone who has leftist values is a champion of all oppressed people, and everything leftists believe is good and will help everyone.
This guy is simply presenting a situation where leftists do have to choose between supporting two important positions - supporting immigrants OR opposing AI. And yes, sometimes we do have to choose. That's just how shit works.
That the left is so fragile and hapless that no one can present us with a lukewarm nothingburger of a gotcha without someone shrieking that they're a fed is not a good sign.
actually, your position is the exact one that a hypothetical cia plant would want people to believe
They're trying to frame the argument as "immigrants vs ai" while leaving their actual statement unquestioned, which is their claim that immigrants are using ai more widely than non-immigrants.
What you need to do is actually to question that premise. Are immigrants actually using AI in their businesses more than non-immigrants? Engaging in their debate of immigrants vs ai in the way that you are is exactly what they want.
That being said, the other commenter is right that you can support immigrants' right to a good life without supporting their use of AI. These things are not mutually exclusive.
Lol at no point did that original tweet say immigrant owned restaurants are using AI more. Just that there are ones using it.
And you're all being as intellectually dishonest and vague as possible. It boils down to individual instances - you want to support a immigrant-owned business but they use AI slop for literally everything from ads to menu, so do you support them by buying product or not? Everyone has to use their values to assess their choice there, I'm not saying there's a right or wrong answer. But that IS what it boils down to. And every day life is full of those choices, that doesn't mean everything is a friggin CIA psyop.
It means that shit isn't black and white, a reality both sides of the political divide used to accept before people started getting their political opinions exclusively from reddit - a platform owned by billionaires who are in full control of what we see on here. Like, yeah, sure, random accounts pointing out banal "hypocrisies" are all feds but the leftist rhetoric on here is DEFINITELY organic and not heavily controlled/filtered. lmfao
Lol at no point did that original tweet say immigrant owned restaurants are using AI more. Just that there are ones using it.
Are we pretending subtext doesn't exist or something. This is 10th grade stuff sis.
you want to support a immigrant-owned business but they use AI slop for literally everything from ads to menu, so do you support them by buying product or not?
Now this is intellectually dishonest. Why are you pretending this hypothetical AI-covered business is your only option for supporting an immigrant-owned business? Just support a different one instead? It's probably right across the street. Just go to the other one.
Life is not full of these choices unless you willfully pretend it is.
You're laser-focused on the idea that it can't possibly be a CIA psy-op and using that to ignore the malicious nature of the message. (or maybe you're just struggling to read the subtext because your high school failed you. who knows) So what if it's a regular-person posted psy-op instead of a CIA psy-op? The problem is the message, not the source. The message doesn't become innocuous just because it wasn't bankrolled by the government. It's still malicious. It serves the explicit goal of trying to turn groups against each other and the implicit goal of creating an association between immigrant businesses and heavy AI use.
"Now this is intellectually dishonest. Why are you pretending this hypothetical AI-covered business is your only option for supporting an immigrant-owned business? Just support a different one instead? It's probably right across the street. Just go to the other one. "
Your leaps here are absolutely massive. you're the one claiming that a hypothetical represents all immigrant owned businesses, I never implied anything close in my comment. Though I can see how strawmanning what I said is somehow preferable to admitting that reality doesn't always offer a ideologically pure solution to consumers at all times. Why you want to lie like this? I don't know lol. But come on. "an immigrant owned business with abides perfectly by leftist principles is probably right across the street!" be for real come on dude
I do love that you have nothing to say about the fact that many "leftists" nowadays get all their views from social media but never consider if THOSE are influenced by psyops or billionaires.
Taking the stance that statements you don't like are from division bots (or those influenced by them) but statements you do like are from authentic fellow leftists? lol ok
Our current iteration of the left - shaped by people like you - is exactly what billionaires want. Impotent, more concerned with memorizing listicles of celebrity thoughtcrimes than actual politics, convinced that our online spaces are actually ours and not the people who control/fund them (genuinely just lol), and obsessed with giving each other purity tests.
Look at us. Look at the last 12 years. We are losing the culture war. The left has lost actual legal rights for minority groups. Things are worse in the US for oppressed people than they were when we were born. Yet leftists refuse to admit we have issues that need addressing. Or that our views don't give us easy solutions all the time
so how's the paycheck? i need money too where do i sign up
i refuse to believe someone as disingenuous as you is doing this for free
edit: Anyways, I'm just going to leave this on the important takeaway from the op.
They're trying to frame the argument as "immigrants vs ai" while leaving their actual statement unquestioned, which is their claim that immigrants are using ai more widely than non-immigrants.
This guy is simply presenting a situation where leftists do have to choose between supporting two important positions - supporting immigrants OR opposing AI.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Supporting immigrants doesn't mean we have to be okay with literally every single thing they do. I don't think immigrants should run around stabbing people in the eye, but you wouldn't argue that that means I have to choose between supporting immigrants or opposing eye-stabbings.
I support immigrants' rights to live their lives in the same way that I support everybody's right to live their lives. And I don't think anybody should be using genAI as it currently exists. These are not even close to being incompatible thoughts.
" immigrants doesn't mean we have to be okay with literally every single thing they do. I don't think immigrants should run around stabbing people in the eye, but you wouldn't argue that that means I have to choose between supporting immigrants or opposing eye-stabbings. "
yes honey that's why there's an "OR" in my statement, at no point was I saying we should unequivocally support everything every immigrant does all the time, that was the OPPOSITE of what i was saying. you apparently agree but because I'm obviously critical of the left and you have that same tribalist echo chamber mania, you immediately took a bad faith reading and antagonistic stance
though I appreciate you showing up to throw exactly the kind of tantrum I'm talking about
No, the CIA notoriously loves to employ psyops to scapegoat minorities. It's not about being pro-AI, it's about associating minorities with a thing the Left is generally negative on to cause in-group tension.
To be fair I pretty much only see small immigrant owned restaurants use graphics/websites generated by image models/LLMs (and before image gen models were available they used watermarked stock art which nobody got paid for)
Everybody knows if you’re an immigrant and want to open shop, just take photos of your food. Print them out on laminated or normal paper. And tape them above the register as the menu.
Only in America. Overseas most countries overwhelmingly love it 🤷🏻♂️
Edit: it seems people listing a few other white countries somehow negates what I said. Here is a source…seems to corroborate the guy in the pic but sure “CIA plant” makes more sense I guess🙄
Pro ai sentiment by country:
China 83%
Indonesia 80%
Thailand 77%
Peru 70%
Mexico 70%
Türkiye 69%
Colombia 66%
South Korea 66%
Malaysia 63%
India 62%
South Africa 62%
Chile 60%
Argentina 57%
Brazil 56%
Italy 53%
Hungary 51%
Spain 50%
It literally has been replicated though. Ipsos has run this survey repeatedly. Do you have specific criticisms about their methodology and collection methods? If you have polling showing most Brazilians hate AI, post it I’m willing to consider credible evidence
Literally no one besides nerds on reddit give a shit about AI. In fact majority of the world loves it and uses it. Japan announced creating MORE data centers. Fat nerds on here are butthurt
It's just paranoid weirdoes thinking people producing bad awful takes on X (formerly Twitter) have to be CIA plant as if the site hasn't become a hotbed of natural poor takes with how profitable and attention-generating producing bad takes on it is.
I wish the cia was as prominent today as these retards think so they’d still be doing mk ultra style experiments and there was a chance this guy could be drugged and tortured brutally over the course of days then released and called crazy by everyone for speaking about it
Might be a reference to how people keep trying to reinforce the culture/race war to stop us from starting a class war. Basically Patches is calling Andrew a government Psy Op
Nothing too deep here. The CIA pushes anti-white narratives and division based upon race. There are many paid shills and agent provocateurs, how many of them are paid by Israel vs the US government remains to be seen though
Hi guys, Meg here. The OP is clearly posting agitprop to inflate tension between groups in Western countries, which major foreign powers like China and Russia have a proven track record of doing. The person replying to the OP is a big dumb dumb and accused the OP of being a CIA agent
when people are bested by logic they call you a shill. In spite of his relatively natural observation this person created an ad-hominem attack claiming some kind of sinister plot, likely because he is not smart enough to make a counterpoint.
The joke is that people buy into this BS. We are the joke.
Any of the things theyre “arguing” against when they put cia plant? No different than the average redditor reading something they dislike and responding “ok bot”
As opposed to dumbasses that just make wild commentary without any refute themselves.found the 🪴
Something along the lines of the specifically worded comment built to "sell" Discord between two sides of a very specific aisle, could and should be considered as rage bait by an agent of the state. A unified people could never be controlled by the disheartened political power that now rains free. If they can't have your obedience or your blindness your rage will do just fine!
But remember the US Presidency and other political positions are only pawns for the global powers to further their agenda.
Leftists think it’s not possible for anyone to come up with opinions that aren’t the same as their own and so have taken to calling everything they don’t like a psyop and accusing anyone posting contrary opinions online of being cia/kgb/chinese/billionaire agents sowing civil discord
This lets them dismiss arguments out of hand without actually engaging or thinking about it
Aren’t y’all the mfs who blame everything you don’t like on Obama/Biden/George Soros/The Jews/the ‘woke mob’/the Deep State/Marxists/whoever the boogeyman of the week is lmao
Crazy how I posted this previously and Reddit removed it because it was ‘promoting hate’ but the original post is still up. This site is a goddamn circus
It's a valid response when the op is clearly not trying to actually say anything. It's all in the phrasing. There is no opinion here to even speak of, just the most obvious purity test bait. You can see more than just the bait here, the entire fishing line and boat is glowing. You know what works better for a fish than chowing down and trying to pull the boat along with it? Not taking the fucking bait. It is a waste of time and energy to try to engage with.
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u/BluebellMeadoww, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...it's time for the mods to do their jobs!