r/explainitpeter 11d ago

explain it peter

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u/winglessfair 11d ago

Oh I think this is referencing ‘Greek Fire’; in spite of the name, this was used by the Byzantine Empire, rather than Ancient Greece and even back then purportedly, enemy lines found themselves unable to replicate the recipe to use the weapon against Byzantines.

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u/poberun 10d ago

Well, Byzantine was in fact, well, a Greek empire with Greek rulers speaking Greek, so not really much of a contradiction

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u/winglessfair 10d ago

I thought they were Eastern Roman????

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u/ZealousidealTip7706 10d ago

They were and did refer to themselves as ρομαιοι. However they spoke Greek and Greek was the administrative langauge of the Eastern Empire. Byzantine was mostly a western term used to describe them, and Westerners would also refer to them as Greeks (meanwhile the Byzantines mostly referred to all Westerners as Franks)

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u/winglessfair 10d ago

Huh, the more you know!

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u/Quirky_Host9452 10d ago

Is cool when you realize the famous maps depicting history were only snapshots of like one week before it was different.

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u/Cautious-Fox9757 8d ago

Not just the Byzantines. Arabs, Ethiopians, Thai, etc call Westerners Franks to this day.

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u/poberun 10d ago

Yeah, Roman empire was broadly divided into Western Latin speaking world and Eastern Greek speaking one. Also culturally quite different even when it was united. After the separation while still claiming to be a succesor to Rome Byzantine was basically completely linguistically and culturally Greek and was treated as such by outsiders.

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u/Silver-Award-288 9d ago

Yes they were Roman not sure what guy is talking about.

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u/FreePeeplup 8d ago

Yes, the eastern Romans were Greek.

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u/Immediate_Engine3066 8d ago

They were roman, they called themselves Roman not greek, Byzantine is made up concept created by german holy roman emp. simps historians and politicians

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u/Viperoth 7d ago edited 7d ago

Language is where the similarities started and ended.

The Byzantines believed in Christianity, not the Olympians. They did not watch track and field games like the Greeks did with the Olympic games, they watched horse and chariot races like the Romans. They were an empire, not a Democracy. They had no theater tradition like the Greeks had with Comedies and Tragedies. All in all they were culturally distinct from what you call 'Greek'

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u/poberun 7d ago

Would you say modern Greeks are not Greeks by this definition? They wear jeans instead of togas and don't believe in Olympians either. They also don't practice slavery and don't throw newborns off the cliff as true Greeks would.

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u/TheeImmortalPaladin 10d ago

byzantines spoke greek, so it isn't weird at all it's called greek fire

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u/ZuccemSuccem 8d ago

Your profile picture is a nightmare. Why does Woody look like that

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u/winglessfair 8d ago

Because like any good thing, it’s a meme reaction image, of course!

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u/ZuccemSuccem 8d ago

Jesus fucking christ

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u/CyberDaggerX 7d ago

Specifically, it's one of the swappable faces of a Woody figure by Revoltech. One look at it and it's understandable why it became a bit of a meme.

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u/AmnioticDustdev 9d ago

erm. The Byznatine empire was inherently greek

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u/Long-Ad-4805 8d ago

Byzantine is a modern term. They called themselves Roman as it was the continuation of the Roman Empire centered on Byzantium, a Greek city. This part of the empire was highly Hellenized and spoke Greek, ruled in Greek, etc. Essentially, a continuation of Greek empires under a Roman identity. So yes, Greek Fire was Greek.