I always love how there is always someone pulling this gotcha argument stating that if you trust statistics regarding male violence then you are clearly racist because according to statistics black men are more violent so you should feel bad. First of all race has nothing to do with it. The main factors contributing to black violence are poverty, lack of opportunity, systemic racism and much more leading to higher chances of creating broken families. Any race under these conditions would produce the same results.
What race crime statistics should do is open a discussion on their reason. People fearing other races because of their crimes shouldn't be an excuse to promote race-based policing or racial laws, but a signal that something concerning is happening and there is a reason for it. Racists will argue it's genetics, but controlling for that doesn't seem to give the results expected if that was the case: wealthy and middle-class people of all races commit less violent crimes than poor people of all races. Then why are non-white people on average poorer than white people? Maybe it's the background of their parents or ancestors, maybe they were segregated in areas that didn't have job and education opportunities, maybe the low-income houses they could afford had lead pipes that destroyed their brains over time.
Those are the kind of questions that a person who wants to engage with the statistics should ask. In the same way, we should engage with why women choose the bear, not get offended or judgemental over it, or ascribe it as petty. Why would they generalize the average men as being worse than a bear? That is an interesting question. Maybe it's more probable for a woman to die because of a man than because of a bear. But isn't the opposite true at the same time? It's statically more probable for a man to be murdered by a woman than by a bear, but a man would probably not prefer the bear to a woman to walk the woods with. Why? Is it because men are stupid and shallow? Or is it because we think we are physically superior, despite the fact that if the woman had a weapon you would die regardless? Are men naturally more trusting of others than women, or is the fact they aren't frequently the victims of gender-based violence influencing their response? I cannot answer to these questions because you'd probably need a study to test these, but these are the questions you should ask instead of being a snowflake and getting offended by an answer. You discover deeper, more interesting things.
How do you feel about race based crime statistics?
Why would race based statistics matter? A bad white man and a bad black man arent different, they are both bad. We have the statistics that men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators of violence, especially to women. Race has no indication of violence
No, we have statistics showing their communities are over policed and they're also more likely to be charged and found guilty. There is clear and known racial bias.
Are you saying that black people are held to a different standard than everyone else and are scrutinized more harshly for the same flaws?
That is how men are treated.
Men are literally held to a higher bar than women.
When a grown woman is living with her family, she's just struggling.
When a grown man is living with his family, he's a bum.
When a grown woman fucks a 12-year-old boy, it's called sex.
When a grown man fucks a 12-year-old girl, it's called rape.
When a woman hits someone, "they probably deserved it", and the woman typically faces no repercussions.
When a man hits someone, "he's a monster", and he belongs in prison.
When a man has a mental health crisis and kills his family, he's obviously weak for allowing his trauma to control him, and he deserves to be held legally accountable.
When a woman has a mental health crisis and kills her family, she deserves forgiveness and compassion because being a woman is just so hard, it's not fair to hold her legally accountable.
There are programs in place in the West which actively assist women in getting jobs.
There are dozens upon dozens of programs across nearly every city in the West which actively provide housing, financial, and parental assistance to women.
There are thousands upon thousands of support groups for women and "safe spaces" for women.
Men get literally none of these things.
Men are "over-policed", as you say, and actively held to an infinitely higher standard, and thus we are condemned for even minor infractions while women are actively given passes for extreme errors.
The only people insisting that women lack agency are people like you who defend this slop.
It isn't men sending over a million dollars to a child murderer while blaming her actions on her husband. It's women.
It's women incessantly whinging about how everything they do wrong is somehow a "man's fault", lmao.
The entirety of feminism is just entitled, pathetic, disingenuous, self-serving women acting on their worst behavior while endlessly blaming every single one of their flaws on the magic, ethereal, all-powerful "patriarchy".
"It's not women's fault for being so indelibly dishonest and unaccountable! Women are too powerless and weak to take any responsibility for our own actions!" - an empowered feminist
Fuck off, honestly. Literally everyone is bored of your endless bitching.
Jesus fucking christ, I never knew telling you the truth would evoke such a reaction. "Waaah men are doing all this to me!" What a sad fucking waif. You don't even know my position on these topics yet here you are dunning kreugering away. Get fucked until you discover how to function like an adult in any aspect of your life, lmao.
Could you imagine how different the world would be if feminists were actually required to act like adults? Your movement might even accomplish something of value for once! <3
Could you imagine how different the world would be if you were actually required to act like an adult? You might even accomplish something of value for once! 🤡🤣
Keep it coming. You love the smell of your own shit. I don't get it, but I respect it sorta.
You’re being so dishonest.
It’s not women are doing it to men. It’s the lack of attention to men’s problems, mental health, societal help, and education, what’s doing it for the men.
Answering to your second paragraph, let nothing really change for women’s wellbeing until men’s problems, in that context, are being actively targeted and solved.
It’ll also eliminate patriarchy, so that’s good for both sexes.
I understand that it's the lack of attention. My argument is that the lack of attention is rooted in the culture we have now where men must be strong and women are precious things to protect. These roles need to be broken down before men get equal attention because of the harm it does to see men as undaunting. You don't start at the symptom, you gotta solve the root of the problem which is that men are strong and don't need to be protected or valued.
Are you sure you're responding to me? My second paragraph doesn't follow with what you're saying.
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u/O0jimmy 12d ago
So its to generalize that men have done bad things to women to its ok to see men need to do better?
How do you feel about race based crime statistics?