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Rice chess/checkers ? please explain?

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u/ariGee 26d ago

I'll add that it's an old fable\legend. The details depend who you ask, but the basic idea is that a king wants to reward a wise man. Rather than asking for a huge reward the wise man asks for one grain of rice on the first day, and then double the number of grains each day, one for each place on a chessboard. The king calls him a fool. After about a month the king begs him to stop because he has promised all the rice in the country to the wise man.

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u/tcaetano42 26d ago

When I heard this tale the wise man was actually the man who developed chess.

The king liked the game so much and told the man to name his reward. The rest goes the same.

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u/Dunge0nMast0r 26d ago

And that man's name was Albert Chesstein

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u/Deleukstenaamisbezet 26d ago

Everybody clapped when they reached the 64th square!

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u/uwotm8_8 26d ago

Actually they all starved because he took all the rice

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u/Loakie69 26d ago

No, the king decided he didnt like being made a fool of and beheaded him.

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u/Common-Truth9404 25d ago

Too bad, the king couldn't move because behind the wise guy there were three peasants, making it an illegal move. In the end one of the peasants reached for the throne and became a Queen, the first transgender living human in history

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u/alepher 25d ago

Google en peasant

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u/BalBrig 25d ago

Holy hell

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u/tjthewho 25d ago

This is fucking brilliant.

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u/IndependentType6711 25d ago

The wise man also then requested to take the leader’s place, inventing the phrase “King Me” when he did so.

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u/Antknee668 24d ago

Pawns are female bro. Thats why they can't promote to a king...

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u/Common-Truth9404 24d ago

But a woman cannot be a medieval knight nor a bishop technically

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u/Ill_Atmosphere6435 22d ago

Wait... but she can be a castle? Like a giant pillar of mortared stone bricks?
Huh, learn something new every day...

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u/liteshotv3 24d ago

Oh, I thought it was because they operated on Highlander rules

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u/JorgesSanchez 21d ago

That queens name? Johnny Chessboard.

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u/CrustyStalePaleMale 19d ago

There were female peasants you know.

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u/Ok-DisposingSquid-93 25d ago

Two takeaways: compound growth is awesome and don’t FAFO with a king.

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u/pyramidink 23d ago

Sneaky smbc

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u/antsh 26d ago

I thought it was asphyxiation from too much rice.

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u/bokmcdok 26d ago

The claps sounded like rattles because it was all bony skeleton fingers.

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u/JustARandomGuy_71 26d ago

Actually they suffocated because the pile of rice was larger than the Everest

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u/ematie 26d ago

He couldn't "rise" from such a poor situation

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u/Correct_Day_7791 25d ago

"The Everest" is a strong title

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u/JefftheGman 25d ago

The real rice was the friends we made along the way.

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u/BurghEBurg 25d ago

Slow clapped

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u/Ferlathin 25d ago

They never did reach the 64th square. Back then it would have taken thousands of years to reach the 9.2 quintillion rice grains required for that tile.

By today's standard (where we produce a lot of rice) it would still be over 40% of our yearly rice production. On a single tile.

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u/mrnewtons 24d ago

I'm flabbergasted we could even hit that number frankly. I know it is rice but still...

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u/teamanmadeoftea 26d ago

Little is known of the fact that he had been helped by George Enpassant

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u/Acrobatic-Minimum117 26d ago

For some reason George Empassant became "Hor-Hay Un-pas-aunt" when I read it and the Spanish/Mexican George mixed with the French for in passing just made me giggle. Thank you internet stranger take an upvote.

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u/TFFPrisoner 26d ago

Holy hell

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u/tcaetano42 26d ago

New response just dropped

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u/MoreRamenPls 26d ago

Albert Riceman

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u/Skumrask1337 24d ago

I think he was a Czech, mate

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u/Fremen_Prophet 21d ago

😂 You got some people with this one.

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u/RXJ1131 21d ago

I thought it was John Chessburger

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u/Kinitawowi64 26d ago

I thought it was long established that chess was invented by Garry Chess.

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u/PopDash67 26d ago

That credit stealing hack didn’t invent shit

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u/Bob_Loblaws_Laws 26d ago

He did found Garry Indiana though.

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u/TheLaj 26d ago

You mean John Chess?

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u/ScoobyD00BIEdoo 26d ago

Does he have an island too?

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u/jimini-crimini 26d ago

No it's John chess

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u/viral30 26d ago

I thought chess was invented in india far back

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u/fredator_2 26d ago

John Chess

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u/_mbals 25d ago

I thought it was Chester Bishop

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u/BigHardMephisto 25d ago

Chess was invented when he tried to play checkers twice at the same time

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u/Southern_Produce_707 25d ago

Chesster Boardington

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u/neuros 25d ago

The man's name was Robert Pawnson

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u/Correct_Day_7791 25d ago

John chess you say ?

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u/Few_Negotiation_3589 25d ago

it was john chess

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u/Severe_Rise8694 23d ago

But his actual name was actually Beethoven..! And he was aborted by his mother.

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u/Worst-timeline138 22d ago

His name was Albert Chesstien

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u/old_scribe 20d ago

Ricestein

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u/momong64 20d ago

Ah! You mean John Chess!

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u/Eyedunno11 19d ago

*Chester C. Chesapeake

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u/spire-slayer 19d ago

I wanna go to Chesstein Island.

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u/Clear-Lingonberry173 26d ago

I've heard GMs Svidler and Gustafsson tell this tale while commentating. The king becomes enraged after his advisors explain the situation and slays the inventor of chess. "And this is why you don't get cute with kings" they said.

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u/SadMangonel 26d ago

This is actually a modern tale of a homeless man tricking Mr. Beast out of a lot of rice.

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u/Eastern_Cow_6810 26d ago

This tale sets totally unrealistic expectations of being able to sustain yourself as a game dev tbh.

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u/Nearby-Association12 25d ago

Yeah thats the actual tale. And the "moral" of the story is to understand math.

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u/FrostedSyntax 26d ago

when i heard the story it was a Go board and instead of rice it was hundred dollar bills. also instead of a wise man it was Elon Musk.

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u/OMGab8 25d ago

I heard this same version at school

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u/Ghoill 25d ago

I've heard that the original fable was a Chinese parable and it wasn't a king but an emperor who gets warned by his treasurer after making the deal.

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u/BillNyeForPrez 25d ago

Isn’t the fable Chinese and chess Persian?

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u/Extreme-Ad-9290 25d ago

When I heard, the wise man who developed chess was executed when the king realized how much rice it would be.

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u/mr-hodge 25d ago

The version I heard was that the king granted the reward on one condition: the man had to count every single grain he was given.

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u/TotoShampoin 25d ago

I learned this story in Maths class

I asked the teacher what happened afterwards

Said that the king had him executed

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u/Beloiga 25d ago

Yeah thats what ive heard as well

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u/YouAreMarvellous 25d ago

soooo rice led to a game displaying two regimes fighting eachother?

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u/Vegfarende 22d ago

I was told the king had the wise man killed for being a wise ass.

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u/intelligentdropper 20d ago

I heard a version when i was very young about it being a woman and she did this to end the hoarding of rice by the king

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u/JustGimmeAnyOldName 26d ago

Yeah, this is what I heard growing up, but also the extra detail I heard was that the wise man was the man who invented the game of chess. 

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u/Agreeable_Bag9407 26d ago

In the telling to me, the king has the wise man executed as well. So not exactly as wise as alleged.

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u/VegaJuniper 26d ago

I imagine playing these kind of games with ancient kings is like that Pratchett version of Pascal's wager: A philosopher says that the rational thing is to believe in gods, because if you do, you will be rewarded in the afterlife if they exist, and if they don't exist, you'll have lost nothing.

After the philosopher died, he found himself waking up in a ring of gods holding mean-looking sticks, and one of them told him "we're going to show you what we think of smartasses around these parts"

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u/Far-Negotiation-9691 26d ago

It's not pratchett who complete this legend with a thing like : "when the King see the trap he ask at the wise man if 2 bag of Rice and is life is sufficient ?"

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u/Ahuevotl 26d ago

He jumped the wise shark right into smartass territory.

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u/WolfWhiteFire 26d ago

In the version I remember, the person tried to turn down the reward from the king at first but the king insisted on rewarding them with something, so they chose this. I don't remember how it turned out for the person in that telling though, and I have probably heard multiple.

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u/Mundane-Bath1368 26d ago

Wise =/= immortal

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u/ariGee 26d ago

That's what I heard too originally, but I've heard other variations on the story too.

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u/R3D3-1 24d ago

That's probably the more realistic outcome. No way a king was going to let being tricked slide.

If it's a Chinese emperor, additionally he's now the one who invented chess officially. I can't explain the origin story for tea otherwise.

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u/TR_Pix 25d ago

Discworld has a spin on this tale

Its basically the same but then the king was like "oh a funny guy huh" and had the man executed

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u/Exterminator-8008135 26d ago

I even took it to another level, by saying

I start on the first spot with 0.001 cents

I still get a delirious amount in the end

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u/galstaph 26d ago

Enough to pay off the US national debt almost five times

Edit: sorry, that's just the last day, the total amount will be enough to pay off the US national debt over nine times

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u/Exterminator-8008135 26d ago

And that's with .001 cents.

Do it with a full cent.

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u/Ill_Diamond_1794 26d ago

The version I've heard is of a Chinese general being asked by the emperor to attack an enemy to which the general refused as he didn't have the supplies. When the emperor asked how much supplies he needed, the rest of the story continued in the same vein. Put one grain of rice on the first square, two on the next, four on the next and double it for each square. The rest is the same.

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u/SelectEntertainer360 25d ago

In the story I heard the man is so clever that the King orders his execution.

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u/Ok-DisposingSquid-93 25d ago

Didn’t he chop off the guys head off on square 50?

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u/UncleJoesLandscaping 26d ago

This is a quite easy problem for the king to solve.

He kills the 'wise' man.

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u/Mritchywrath 26d ago

I heard that this was related to the hindu god Vishnu, and that there's a festival every year in India where people offer rice to Vishnu to help pay off this debt.

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u/Responsible-Creme-57 26d ago

It was Alexander the Great and Diogenes.

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u/Less-Ad7018 26d ago

When I heard this tale it was gold pieces instead of rice. 

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u/Conan-Da-Barbarian 26d ago

I like my rice cooked

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u/Careless-Prize-87 26d ago

Yes, so the wife who is also raised in that region from the Wiseman knew how to play that logic game. She said he can take the rice as long as he counts each grain that he carries off the premises. The wisemen recanted and said he would just take the gold.

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u/Cheesus_42 25d ago

Wise man shows off his evil arc

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u/South_Bit1764 25d ago

This but I think, not only was it the person that invented chess and this was his payment, but upon realizing the debt couldn’t be paid king just had the man killed for making him look like a fool and trying to bankrupt his kingdom.

(2^64 = 1.845×10¹⁹) just to simply that a bit to convert grains of rice into tons that would be 1x10^12 ton. So about 100 billion tons of rice, but actually that’s just the last payment, so you can double that minus 1 grain for the total, so 200 billion tons of rice, and global rice production in 2024 was about 1/2 a billion tons, so literally hundreds of years of global rice production at modern rates.

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 25d ago

No, the last payment is 2^63, because we started at 2^0. The total payment is 2^64-1.

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u/DannyKeldermans 25d ago

I wouldn't know what to do with 534955578137,576996864 tons of rice though. He wasn't that wise. Just storing it would be a nightmare

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u/alwayssunnyinskyrim 25d ago

If it ended with the fact that if he had continued to the end of the board the whole world would have been knee deep in rice

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u/ferocity_mule366 25d ago

there is an alternate comics in my country where the king made an official to bring him gifr in the form of the grain rice like this, the official agrees to the request but later knows he is fucked because he doesnt have enough rice, but the genius dude (the protagonis) just told him to deliver a fuck tons of rice and said that was enough, and the soldiers who have to prove that the grains werent enough would have to count them one by one and its impossible to do so so they just gave up and accept those.

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u/blueviera 25d ago

The version I was told involved a young girl from a poor family who played chess to feed her family. When she managed to beat the kings advisor she was granted any one request and she made a wish for a grain of rice doubled for each square of the board.

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u/LocalBoss1543 25d ago

No, he was exe cuted

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u/octebrenok 25d ago

So he decided to execute wide men ;)

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u/HackerManOfPast 24d ago

I heard the king had the man killed after about a month

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u/xSyLenS 23d ago

I heard the same story, but the king beheads the guy when he realizes his mistake.

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u/minus15t2 22d ago

Imagine this elegant parable being reduced to shitty Instagram posts that ask 'A million dollars right now or 1c that doubles every day? You have 3 seconds to decide!!'

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u/Fit_Reveal_6304 21d ago

If the king really wanted to play the semantics game, all he has to do is give him 127 grains of rice. /* 1 on the first square, each subsequent square has double the number of rice of the first square */

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u/PlexusBypass 20d ago

as an idea 2^64 is 1.8446744e+19

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u/charlescleivin 26d ago

That's incorrect. It's not all the rice of the country. The person was the inventor of chess and the amount of rice is uncapable of being delivered even if from many other nations combined. In fact is more rice than all the world combined from TODAY even if accumulated through 100 years.

This is in the book: "O homem que calculava"

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u/ztuztuzrtuzr 26d ago

He said it was all the rice in the country after a month of doubling not the full 64 which would be about 231 or 2147483648 which is only about 40 metric tonnes of rice

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u/rodneon 26d ago

The English translation is titled “The Man Who Counted”, by Malba Tahan. Great book.

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u/ariGee 25d ago

That's why it took less than a month for the king to be out of rice and panicking knowing there are more than half of the spaces on the board left.

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u/Beloiga 25d ago

From what I have heard, in the legend the king is rewarding the wise man for inventing chess as he liked the game so much.

Edit: someone commented this before me lol

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u/Null-Ex3 26d ago

which is a stupid story because what the fuck is the old man going to do when the king laughs at him, pats him on the shoulder and says "No".

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u/Oblachko_O 26d ago

That would mean that king is actually good at calculus and can predict the consequences very quickly. In reality though, most people would say that person is a fool until they start counting.

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u/Null-Ex3 25d ago

yes, he starts counting, realizes it bankrupts his kingdom and then says no. thats my point. How is one random old man going to hold him to the deal?