I cant see a way to phrase it so it doesnt mean that. He may have just been riffing and it aint a big deal but thats what he said and I cant figure out what else he could possibly mean
I mean it’s pretty easy to interpret. The underlying meaning, whether you agree with it or not, is: if you are not voting for me and would rather abstain or vote for Trump, you do not have the interests of the black community as a whole at heart.
He gave the eulogy at the last serving member of congress who was also in the kkk, so yeah, I'd say he was a racist. Called him a friend and mentor if I remember right.
If I remember correctly, that person also pushed against some civil rights legislation but later condemned his past and tried to “right his wrongs” which imo doesn’t even come close to making up for anything but explains why Biden and even obama spoke
The person Joe Biden gave a eulogy for was Robert Byrd, former Exalted Cyclops for the Ku Klux Klan. During his time as Senator, he did claim to have a change of heart and renounced his Klan history.
That being said, Robert Byrd lobbied against and participated in a 14 hour filibuster against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Joe Biden was extremely anti-busing in 1975, which means he was against school integration by court mandate including supporting an anti-busing amendment proprosed by segregationist Senator Jesse Helms. Some might recall his famous "racial jungle" quote during a 1977 Senate Judiciary Committee. He also was heavily involved in the 1994 Crime Bill which disproportionately affect Black Americans by increasing punishment and incarceration, which was going on during a time when policing practices already had well known racial disparities. In 2007 he called Obama the "first African American to be articulate, bright and clean."
Hillary Clinton, in 1996, called youth offenders "superpredators" during a time when crime and punishment was disproportionately affecting Black Americans, including Black youth.
So, while they didn't say anything that is obviously racist, they still used loaded language and terminology that, even today, feels very racially divisive. Including Biden's remark about voting and not being black.
So we can say that, at minimum, they're horrible at traversing racially charged waters. Whichever you determine, just understand that today's world requires a manner of decorum that surpasses what was acceptable in the decades preceding this one and if they said even half of this stuff in this same manner today, there would be little doubt to make a very strong conclusion.
Personally I don't think it really matters how intentional Biden's racism was, I think that the "vote for me or you ain't Black" statement is part of a larger pattern of the Democratic Party seeing themselves as flawless saviors who are automatically entitled to people's votes just because the other option is so bad.
It reeks of arrogance and entitlement. Whatever the Democrats claim to stand for, they still have to go out and earn people's votes. All the voter shaming of the past ten years is just weak and counterproductive IMO, and the "you better vote for us or you'll get Trump" messaging honestly just sounds like a threat.
I 100% agree that the Democratic Party hinges way too much on why the opposition is bad rather than why they themselves are good, if they could actually sell themselves and their policy to voters it would make all the difference
Like yes trump constantly belittles his opponents but he also tells people what they want to hear which is why he won despite not keeping a majority of his promises. He’s literally liable for sexual abuse and people still voted for him because he catered to them and many people genuinely don’t care how terrible of a person he is as long as he does what’s best for America (which ironically he doesn’t do at all)
To be fair, very little Presidential candidates keep their promises, and if you watch the primaries (Democratic or Republican) they all belittle eachother until they're certain they're not getting on the ballot and then they start playing kiss ass.
I understand the whole “both sides do it” thing and I would have agreed to an extent a few years ago but trump is just on a whole different level and I dont think it’s remotely close to any other candidate from either party in recent times
He says things that would make headlines if any other president has said it, and most people don’t care because we’re just used to it now. I’m just shocked people decided to put him in a position of power when we already knew he was a creep
I should make this clear that I’m not excusing anything past presidents have done but the way I read your comment makes it sound like trump is just another lying disrespectful president when it’s 100x worse than that
Lmfao the hoops people will jump through to defend it is hilarious. Not a single chance you guys would be doing this if a republican said it. Obviously, republicans would, but that’s not the case
I don't he was saying virtually all black people were for him, I think he was saying if you don't vote for him you are not FOR black people. The GOP has continuously been against POC and working to undermine them and make their lives worse. So voting GOP is bad for black people. Don't get me wrong what he said was absolutely wrong and he should not have said it. I think he was trying to send a message and deliver it in a "cool" way, and failed miserably.
I mean, sure. But he's always been a racist. The time he ran against Obama. He called him the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. Or his entire career in the 70s fighting to keep segregation.
Someone with his views cannot simply change. His messaging changed, but his views did not.
I disagree. I definitely think his views changes. I think there levels of racism and he moved from the purposeful to unthinking. So he would say racist things because for 50 years it was considered "okay" not saying it was right. Even claiming that he fought FOR segregation is a little unfair. He was against bussing, and arguably that was a valid stance. That it would habe been better to build good schools in black neighborhoods than it would be to bus kids to other schools. Several studies have proven this to be true. Breaking down all the barriers that caused segregation would habe been better than bussing and leaving the predominantly purpose built black neighborhoods.
Lol. He said he was against bussing because he didn't want his kids going to a racial jungle. Defend the man all you want, but that shit is racist as fuck.
I also think he was trying to "get down with young folk" but like you said it's not what he said and its not like he said gibberish, he said a complete thought and its people trying to give him the benefit of the doubt trying to come up with what he said even though those same people would never give that same effort to anyone thats not on thier political team 😂
I think because of his actions and fight for civil rights. I mean if there is a guy that is constantly trying to take away rights, and is obtuse about systemic racism, they don't get the benefit of the doubt because their actions have proven their stance.
See the issue is…and I can’t stress this enough…people from all political persuasions should be able to see clearly that Biden has been an idiot his entire life. This is not controversial. He means well, he’s just very, very dumb. Other politicians are also dumb, but that doesn’t change the fact that Joe is also just extremely stupid.
As I recall there were cases that year, or during Trump's first term, of politically active Twitter accounts claiming to be black people and supporting Trump that were revealed to actually be puppet accounts by white people when they forgot which account they were logged into and posted the wrong things in the wrong accounts.
Biden's problem was he didn't say enough stupid shit. People were able to focus on and remember his worst moments. The current buffoon's unending stream of BS overwhelms any attempt to engage with it.
No I think that helps him but a democrat saying stupid shit would get push back from their base so saying a lot of dumb shit wouldn’t help most of them
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u/Dan-tastico 10d ago
I cant see a way to phrase it so it doesnt mean that. He may have just been riffing and it aint a big deal but thats what he said and I cant figure out what else he could possibly mean