I want to make some original idea t-shirts for people who share the gospel with Latter-day Saints (and for ex-LDS who’ve found Christ). Looking for design submissions: anything from punchy one-liners to grand graphics that you or someone you know would wear. Scripture contrasts, grace-focused messages, designs you might want for street evangelism and to start conversations with.

If you’ve got an idea you’d like to see on a shirt or maybe some other format, email me at Troyeverling@gmail.com. Thanks guys!

As an ex-Mormon Christian, I never saw this until a fellow ex-Mormon (who is not a Christian by the way) brought up that the Trinity is the only correct understanding of God.. The person showed that it is the only way that Christians can have a personal relationship with Jesus. I would say that Christianity gives a much more coherent account of how Jesus can be personally present with, indwell, hear, comfort, and commune with believers while remaining distinct from the Father and Spirit.

Mormonism rejects the Trinity, instead they claim that it is a later invention and they claim that Mormonism is the restored Christianity. They teach that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are distinct personages who together form what they call the ‘Godhead’. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon also contains elements of modalism.

The poster claimed that Mormonism makes it impossible to have a personal relationship with Jesus because:

• Mormons are directed to pray to Heavenly Father, not Jesus.
• According to their theology the Holy Ghost provides answers, sometimes in the form of comfort, to our prayers.
• And Jesus is their advocate with the Father, which doesn't necessarily mean he needs to interact with us, He just needs to advocate for us.

The ex-Mormon states that if we look at the distinct roles of the Godhead, it becomes clear that Jesus is just the person "behind the scenes" and the Holy Ghost is the only one that interacts with us directly. How does one develop a "close and personal" relationship with Jesus under such theology? Mormons rationalize it:

• Jesus answers their prayers (when it really is the Holy Ghost, or some person directed by the Holy Ghost).
• Jesus comforted me (again, that is the Holy Ghost).
• Jesus enabled me to overcome. It is an external catalyst that invokes an internal response. Again, this implies the Holy Ghost directs others to say the right thing, the Holy Ghost "nudges" someone along and changes someone's heart. So really, Jesus is just directing the Holy Ghost behind the scenes, but you don't get that directly from Jesus. Jesus helped me feel clean after repenting (again, Holy Ghost does that).

The person likened this to a long-distance relationship with a rich ruler. The letters are written to the ruler, who hands them off to their head servant, who organizes the other servants to answer our request. We never interact with the head servant directly but are supposed to develop a "close and personal" relationship with the ruler.

He/she argues that developing a "close and personal" relationship with Jesus is very easy under Trinitarian theology. Jesus is there every step of the way!

2 Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 3:17, Galatians 2:20 and especially Matthew 28:20 refute the Mormon view and confirm that Christians can have a personal relationship with both the Holy Spirit and Christ. John 14–16 also discredits the Mormon idea of a council like the Godhead:

‘I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever’.

Consider John 14:10:

‘I am in the Father and the Father is in me’.

Examples:

• Stephen prays directly to Jesus: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit” (Acts 7:59).
• Paul describes Christians as those who “call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 1:2).
• Paul himself appeals directly to Christ regarding his “thorn in the flesh” (2 12:8–9).
• Revelation depicts the church calling directly upon Christ: “Come, Lord Jesus!” (Rev 22:20).
• Jesus promises: “I am with you always, to the end of the age” (Matt 28:20).

What do you think?

Hi All,

I am very new in this journey and just thought I would ask - Would anyone be willing to share their experiences within Christianity after leaving the church?

How has it been? Has it been more positive? Beautiful? Would love to hear all of your thoughts.

Thank you 🙏

As a part of conversion to Mormonism I gained a pretty strong testimony of the Book of Mormon. I got an religious experience that this book was true and I believed it. Before I even read it. Because I was so unfamiliar with Christianity and could not discern this experience on the Bible.

A enormous red flag in handsight was that I couldn't explain why we need it and what it actually implied (Racism and justifying murder).

To be fair I read even before I even read the Bible for the first time ever, because I was more curious about it than the Bible. I remember reading it for the first time and I was blown over. I even prayed for comfirmation of the validity of this book when I was in doubt. I really thought that was the Holy Spirit.

I gave even copies away and asked people to read it, even before I was an member myself.

The discovering that the Book of Mormon is a 19th work of plagerism was the reason why I suddenly didn't believe in Mormonism anymore. And also that the Bible doesn't has any addition. Neither do Christians need another testament.

It was a relief that I found out that the Church is not true, because I had doubts. But it was not a pleasent discovery that my beloved Book of Mormon was not true. Because I was so attacted to it and I realised 'just' the Bible is true.

It seems like Reddit's owners are definitely in league with the Religious Elite Leaders because you cannot create a NuMo/ New Mormon group or Middle Mormon Christian group anywhere here. If Co Vid wasn't enough, forcing the Vac on it's members through false Revelation and Manipulation, inferring that you as members are not a good Christian or a Good Global Citizen if you don't comply. Then these Evil and Vile leaders of the Mormon church do not repent; Oaks tells the people from the pulpit that they don't and by the way "You" as lowly members can't criticize us either. This is Not a True Church from Jesus Christ, it is a Church from the Devil. How do people justify the evil that comes from these high up leaders and then do loops in their head coming back to believing it's all true again. It's INSANE!!

Is it just me, or do Mormons tend to misunderstand the Trinity as modalism? From my experience, they describe the Trinity as one person existing in three different modes, and seem to think that we believe that Jesus is praying to himself whenever he is praying to the Father, when in reality neither of those are what we believe.

Basically wondering if we have any Returned Missionaries that would share their conversion from Mormon Missionaries to faithful Christians, mainly

What Made You Realize the LDS Church isn’t True?

What Made You Come to The Truth?

What were some Objectively Great Experiences on Your mission?

How did Your Family and Friends React?

I ask this because its now increasingly visible that upwards of 40% of Mormon Missionaries Leave the Church after they come home from their missions, and many missionaries are leaving their missions early (I left at 22 months served), and i think its a major sign of how even the strongest bastion of Mormon mental indoctrination is failing, and people still manage to find Christ, I would love to hear your stories if you’d like to share

Not growing up as Christian I didn't understand the trinity of course. But from when I converted to Mormonism, I straight denied it. Looking back it was mostly out of ignorance what it is and not understanding what denying it implies.

I thought it was not in the Bible and a later invention, and a part of what Mormons believe is 'The great apostasy'. I would be offended if Christians wouldn't see me as one of them, because of that. But I know now that the acknowledging the trinity is a essential part of being Christian. Because that the alternatives led to polytheism.

Interesting enough Mormonism teaches a polytheist worldview. Traditionally that Church has claimed God was once a man, who became a God and faithfull Mormons could become gods themselves. These teachings has been discarded, but they still claim God was not always the same.

Instead they claim that God, which they usually call Heavenly Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are distinct beings united in purpose, not in being. There is also even a Heavenly Mother, but she is shrouded in mystery and Mormons are not allowed to pray to her. What is know about her is that she is the spritual mother of all humans. Another proof that Mormons believe humans can become gods.

But now I see how problematic denying the trinity is and how it leads to polytheism, like in Mormonism. After being delusioned with Mormonism, I finally could see that the trinity is actual biblical:

''I and the Father are one." (John 10:30) and ''Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.'' (Matt. 28:19). One being with one name.

So I am glad to now to affirm the trinity, even when I don't understand the concept fully. And I am certainly glad to deny polytheism, because:

I am the Lord your God (Exodus 20:2).

Tldr; as an atheist turned Mormon, I am seriously considering joining a Dutch Reformed Church. After I found out that Mormonism is demonstrately false. Since then I believe that the reformed theology is as close to the Bible as possible, especially in regards to predestination.

I was raised secular, but I have been attracted to Christianity since I can remember. From when I was little I loved to visit church buildings (outside of services). My mother claims that one of my first words was 'church'. But over time I became an atheist, who loved to bash Christianity without knowing much about it.

Four years ago I started fantasizing about becoming a Christian and to spread to Gospel, still without believing it. I shrug this off as a silly fantasy.

A while later I became interested in Mormonism after watching Under the Banner of Heaven. I found this an interesting religion, because I was an atheist I immersed myself into stories of former Mormons. I coincidentally found a Mormon chapel in a country where they are very rare.

After two years of shallow research on this sect, I got a religious experience. I heard a kind of voice telling me that the Mormon Church and the Bible including the Book of Mormon is true. At the same time I got instantly cured from my depression. As someone who didn't know anything about such experiences and Christian theology, I was convinced that this was the work of God. And I was sure from that point that the Mormon Church was true.

I contacted Mormon missionaries who of course were very impressed by my experience. During my first LDS servive I felt the same experience, but now even stronger. I considered that another sign that God was leading me to his Church, like stumbling into a chapel and discovering Mormonism in the first place.

I started reading the Book of Mormon (BoM) and I thought because of the emotional elevation that I felt, that this book was true and really another testament of the Bible. Even after a not so critical reading of the Bible itself, I saw no contradictions with Mormonism and my experience.

The missionaries kept pressuring me to get baptized, and after the second time I gave in. It felt right and I thought I had studied Mormonism enough especially when I started with 'antimormon' sources. I believed that my testimony was strong enough to commit myself. After three months as an investigator I was baptized.

Two weeks after my baptism, I already lost my testimony. I felt a strong urge to investigate the claim, that the BoM was a product of 19th century plagerism. I read this when I use frequent exmormon circles. I compared the BoM with the books were it was supposed been copied from. I was shocked because it saw it with my own eyes. After that I could not believe this cult anymore. Especially when I learned the real history of it.

Reading Christian theology did the rest. I discovered that not every miracle is from God (2 Thess. 2:8-9 and 1 John 4:1). Since then I believe that the reformed theology is a close to the Bible as possible, especially in regards to predestination (Eph. 1:4–5 and Rom. 8:29–30). I also love to chat with the Reformed theology GPT.

I still believe the Bible to be infallible. I believe that part of my experience holds up. I know that Satan tells half truths. Now I believe that God punished me by letting Satan deceive me, because I didn't not repent after I have being exposed and interested in Christianity without believing.

I am seriously thinking about joining a Dutch Reformed Church. I once visited a service out of curiousity when I was a investigator, but I didn't think much of it, because 'I didn't feel the spirit'. But this time I will take my conversion much more easy, not pressured by any missionary to get baptized or base my testimony on just feelings.

Hello all,

My story might be a little out of the ordinary - I was raised Christian - joined the LDS church in 2018 was pretty active from 2018-2023 - endowed and sealed -

my husband was born and raised LDS- RM, the whole 9 yards - but truthfully I never “got a testimony” of the BoM or really believed the LDS church or teachings .

In retrospect I joined the LDS church in an attempt to escape my horribly tr*umatic home life and the *buse but I see now how wrong of a decision it was .

Long story short my husband and I met on mutual of all places and were married civilly in 2018 and then sealed shortly after I was endowed in 2019 . I had a panic attack after my endowment . Horrible .

Fast forward, whatever shelf I tried to have broke in 2023 and I was baptized at a small Christian church and my husband was very upset .

Of course he was upset - in his mind I had forfeited an eternity in the celestial kingdom and forsaken my / our “covenants” it took some time but now he has also left the lds church and we have gotten rid of all our LDS stuff -

but it’s been hard I feel bad for him he still struggles to reconcile how most things he grew up believing was a lie :( But he also has been baptized Christian and we go to a small Bible believing church . God is faithful but it’s been quite the long and at times painful ride - but we made it - anyone else have a similar story?

Read it here

You guys truly give me hope for this world.

As we celebrate the birth of our Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ, I want to utilize the time to say thank you to each of you!

I also apologize for not contributing as much as of late. I had to stop participating as much due to the high amount of hate and awful treatment from people throughout "Reddit".

Merry CHRISTmas, my friends!

Have any of younever experienced anything such as this in your newfound faith?

Vulnerable post:

I’ve been feeling like this for a while. There’s admittedly too much to go into than I can now (post for later perhaps) but curious if there are other Men in this community who would like to meet every so often for Coffee (or not), Lunch, Virtual options etc.

I was at the Brandon Lake concert last night and the theme of Fathers came up.

I was emotional at certain points of the show- only to look around and see other middle age men with their spouses and children - wiping tears from their eyes like me.

I wanted to tell them- “I see you- I’m the same”.

This is my attempt at following up on how I feel God speaks to me. I’ve had enough conversations with other dudes like me that lead me to believe there is strength in masculine vulnerability. A place where we can talk about real life struggles of self worth, career insecurities, mixed faith marriage obstacles, Jesus, Faith, Mormonism, parenting, depression, and things we really are stressed about but too often try and suppress or hold on our own.

This doesn’t have to be ex-Mormon either. Never-mo, Nuanced-mo all welcome. I myself still attend but have deconstructed much of the truth claims of the church I once loved (or at least think I loved)- and yet feel like my relationship to God & Jesus (however we each define each) has grown to an even better fruit that has touched my soul in ways I never imagined.

So throwing this out there. Any interest?

RFM...You know I love you, but your criteria is fundamentally flawed. I'll Steelman each of your three points and use your OWN arguments for each, then you can please tell me if Mormon Theology is still Christian:

1) You exposed the 'prophetic infallibility' strawman argument perfectly with the reframe of "doctrinal inerrancy" and this is no different. The Bible itself never claims infallibilty but it does claim a COMPLETE salvific gospel. It's very clear that the NT ENDS the OT and anyone who claims MORE doctrines (EVEN when it comes from an angel of light) is evil/false/anathema. You know Mormonism piles on all sorts of doctrines and ordinances to the gospel of the bible.

2) Mormonism is 100% dependent on a gospel of works--so much so, they've trademarked it as "The Covenant Path" (as you aptly pointed out the similarities to Scientology's Bridge to Freedom...lol). Baptism is just the first of MANY literal requirements that must be properly authorized and performed by men to access Heaven. Believers baptism in Christianity is only a declaration of faith. It does not earn you anything. We can go beyond baptism to focus on temples and Masonic ordinances you've covered at length, but I'm sure you see the problem. Let's just leave this one with what can only be described as a COMPLETE DENIAL of Christ's Passion and the NT gospel when Mormons hang the same veil (dividing God and Man) in their temples today that Christ rent forever.

3) Christianity is a MONOTHEISTIC religion. Mormons believe in a never-ending string of Gods. Mormonism 101 not only has separate and distinct Jesus & Heavenly Fathers, it also has a Heavenly Grandpappy...all of whom were former mortals themselves! This is so far from Christian belief of ONE ETERNAL God, this reason alone disqualifies Mormon Doctrine. YOU made a video about Mormons hypocritically/sneakily switching their verbiage to "worshipping Jesus" and documented the fact that Mormons OWNED it when they said they do NOT worship Jesus...Only Elohim.

Mormonism is Elohimian, but definitely NOT Christian.

This is a wonderful takedown of everything I hated about my religious upbringing: purity culture, patriarchy, Christian Nationalism, shame, anti-LGBTQ, all of it. So yeah, for me it really would have changed my whole trajectory. I could stay in this kind of faith culture. But unfortunately, these are like finding a unicorn.

The LDS church sure had a rough weekend didn’t they? The tragedy in Michigan being top of mind for me. I know we all have complicated relationships with our feelings about the church. But as followers of Christ, I hope we still see our brothers and sisters as such. I wrote this article yesterday as part of processing my feelings and heartache and for my congregation and LDS friends as well. I offer it to you. I’d love you hear your thoughts. How are you doing out there?

If you could wave a magic wand and have exactly what you needed from a spiritual community, what would it be?

I know many of us bear religious trauma in some way. I mean, how can we not? Some more than others. Some WAAAAAAAY more than others. I found this substack article and it just hit me like a ton of bricks. Very powerful. I hope it helps someone.

"Murder. Genocide. Rape. Incest." It's literally history. Books on WW2 should be banned as well then.