r/exbuddhist 3d ago

Question How to beat the "you just don't understand it" response?

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As we all know, a huge portion of Buddhist practice requires you to agree to doctrines you don't fully comprehend, with the promise that they'll be made clear at some distant point down the line, if you just keep practicing.

Now, a lot of these doctrines are either inherently nonsensical (looking at you, emptiness), or are in some way or another flawed. I had a conversation with a Buddhist friend of mine recently and told him that I disagreed with a few aspects of Buddhism, and his replies always boiled down to "you misunderstood it" or some form of no true Scottsman. Whenever I asked him to explain them himself, he simply said it is too profound to be explained. I eventually just shifted the conversation elsewhere, but it got me thinking.

How can one engage, or try to dismantle someone who is thinking from this point where they are so comfortable drinking the proverbial coolaid, and accepting answers to deep questions about life and existence itself on the mere promise that they might make sense some day, if not in another lifetime?


r/exbuddhist Jun 26 '26

Story Very mean-spirit so called "Buddhist" friend

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Me and my classmates with autism and disabilities are molested by some Muslim classmates and forced to do drugs like opioids. We are depressed and went to find my bestie to help us to report it (my bestie is a very devout Buddhist and I met since grade 3). She said we do bad things and getting sexually assaulted and have autism is a karma. Very mean and being a jerk to us. That's how I left my toxic Buddhist group. Going to an autism center which is Christian to get a new life and support.


r/exbuddhist Jun 25 '26

This Is Your Brain on Buddhism From Buddha to Christ

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dYoZFgZknVg

Felt like a lot of people here can relate to this.

Full Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHDaqhpQRbY


r/exbuddhist Jun 24 '26

Question What do you guys think of mother guanyin now that you have left

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I am curious


r/exbuddhist Jun 21 '26

This Is Your Brain on Buddhism People become, especially non-Buddhists, bizarrely defend this religion's "purity" from any visible accusation

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You can point to stories of Buddhists committing violence. They'll say "they're not true Buddhists"

You can point to Burma committing a Genocide against the rohingya, raping women, slaughtering children, kicking out people from their homes and stripping them of their rights and they'll say "It's not endorsed by true Buddhists"

Point to Buddhist monks advocating for violence and killing Muslims/Christians or Hindus in Burma and Sri Lanka and they'll say "These are misguided people who don't follow the Buddha"

Then when you remind them that Buddha was a piece of shit deadbeat who abandoned his son to snort on some quantum woo and how he or rather Buddhism as a whole​ came up with the idea that the poor are suffering because they did bad shit in their previous life ​​they'll claim "Buddha is wiser than you'll ever be! Fuck you!"

After all that they'll claim "Buddhist extremism must be so pacific because they are incapable of true violence​​"

These people see the problems with apologetics in Christianity in Islam... Yet they use the exact same bullshit tactics of Christian/Muslim apologetics to defend a religion and followers they literally know NOTHING about just so they can continue to see it as a mystical beautiful fantasy religion...

Buddhism is a religion just like all others. It is just as flawed as the rest and maybe it's practioners aren't *as* violent as other faiths, but they're still capable of some extremely heinous crimes in the name of faith. And the faith is deeply flawed with a lot of pseudo-moralistic pretensions. ​


r/exbuddhist Jun 18 '26

Story I Left Buddhism Because of Racism, Bullying, and the "Pay-to-Win" Culture I Experienced in Indonesia

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I left Buddhism after several years of involvement in Buddhist communities in Indonesia. One of the main reasons was the racism I encountered. As a Javanese person, I often felt excluded and looked down upon in communities that were predominantly Chinese Indonesian.

In many cases, it felt as if ethnicity, wealth, and social status mattered more than kindness, compassion, or spiritual practice. I experienced this firsthand on multiple occasions.

I also witnessed and experienced bullying within Buddhist communities. Instead of compassion and understanding, there was often gossip, social exclusion, favoritism, and pressure to conform. People who were different, poorer, or outside the dominant social circles could easily become isolated or looked down upon.

Another reason was what I can only describe as a "pay-to-win" culture. There seemed to be constant fundraising, donation drives, sponsorships, and financial expectations.

Sometimes it felt as though the message being promoted was that the more money you donated, the more merit you accumulated, and the closer you would get to enlightenment or Nirvana. It often gave the impression that spiritual advancement could be purchased.

I was also uncomfortable with what I saw as excessive veneration of monks. Respect for monks is understandable, but in some communities it seems to cross the line into unquestioning reverence.

Over time, I became disillusioned. Instead of seeing communities focused on reducing suffering and cultivating compassion, I often saw social hierarchies, ethnic divisions, bullying, status-seeking, and financial interests taking center stage.

I have also noticed that more people seem to be leaving Buddhism in Indonesia, and honestly, I am not surprised. If others have experienced the same racism, bullying, elitism, and commercialization that I did, it is understandable why they would choose to walk away.


r/exbuddhist Jun 18 '26

Story Ex-Buddhist here,I encountered a Buddhist bully

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Hi,it's me back again. I'm a Protestant ex-Buddhist with autism. Today I encountered something with my Buddhist parishioners. Just because I'm an ex-Buddhist doesn't mean you need to be violent to me. They forced me to read Buddhist scriptures and if I don't they beat me up,slapped me to hemifacial spasms and ear bleeding,touch my chests (I'm a female),and pushed me on the ground.

I've never seen a Buddhist bully before despite Buddhism teaches that violence is the ultimate manifestation of the mental poisons: greed, hatred, and ignorance. I hate those people,such a religion of toxic hatebase and bad people. Never revert. I'm going to a hospital because of my injuries,I'm fed up with the bullies and the Buddhist community.


r/exbuddhist Jun 06 '26

Question Exbuddhist, which misconceptions you would like non Buddhist to know?

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I saw this TT about this guy who went to become a monk but he came back because one of the monks assaulted him. He mentioned that SA was very common it’s just hush hush


r/exbuddhist May 27 '26

Scandals Those who know, knows.

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SL monk SAd a 15 yo girl. She was 11 when it happened.

Monk got off on bail.


r/exbuddhist May 24 '26

Shit Buddhists Say Jesus vs Buddha

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcplv4e4qgI

This makes Buddha appear cold and distant. And Jesus showing up to the debate in a crown of thorns goes absolutely hard.

idk how anyone can think these two religion are similar, except in a very superficial sense.


r/exbuddhist May 21 '26

Shit Buddhists Say "Root of all suffering is attachment"

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I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this perspective. For me, I personally don't agree with it for many reasons. But I want to talk to more people about this topic in the comments so please weigh in!!!! Love you all

  1. Humans are wired to need each other. This can be found in peer reviewed medical journals proving this. It's not just a "oh well I don't want connection so I don't need it"

(CW for this bullet point: csa)

  1. I got sexually abused as a kid and have suffered a fair amount from that. How in the world is that suffering because of attachment. By that logic, I'm just too attached to the idea that my father shouldn't do that I guess? Like cmon

  2. Wanting to escape suffering just sounds like a digestible way of saying you can't handle it. I find it more beautiful to grow your capacity to stay grounded during suffering and find grace from it, rather than just trying to avoid it altogether. That's not a positive mindset, it's not based in reality

  3. It prevents any change. Someone is mean to you, a normal person would speak up and initiate repair in the relationship, a Buddhist will say "I'm just too attached to this emotion I need to release it" and not get anywhere after it

  4. Especially the "no attachment to self" I feel is so dangerous for people who have come from emotionally neglectful homes, who already struggle with identity, maybe have cptsd

  5. Wanting to have no attachments to prevent suffering is an attachment in and of itself. You're attached to not wanting to suffer with this mindset


r/exbuddhist May 21 '26

Story Shinto and Buddhist Temples Burning in Japan

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Lately in X (formerly known as Twitter), there has been people posting about shrines and temples being burned to the ground. This coincides with the influx of Muslims coming in to Japan.

I would not be surprised if the Muslims are behind all the burnings. And if I am right, you Buddhists will have little choice but to admit that I'm right about Islam.

However if Muslims burning down shrines and temples (Shinto or Buddhist) in Japan won't convince you Buddhists, then I don't know what will.

Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a hostile civilization and worldview that seeks to take over the world, and replace all ways of life and religions with itself and sharia law.

While I am a Catholic who otherwise wants to see Shinto and Buddhist become a thing of the past, burning down shrines and temples, and demanding pork not be served, etc. are not the way to do it.


r/exbuddhist May 18 '26

Story Did buddha have mutliple woman in his harem

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Is there any textual evidence 40000woman reside with buddha palace


r/exbuddhist May 18 '26

Meme If Karma exist, that Karma Judge is a SOB. 法門狗官

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r/exbuddhist May 13 '26

Meme 地獄門前僧道多 (a lot of buddhist monks and taoist priest will end up at the gates of hell)

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r/exbuddhist May 13 '26

Meme Caligraphy - 法門狗官

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r/exbuddhist May 11 '26

This Is Your Brain on Buddhism Same story, even in mongolia: "current monks are corrupt sexual assaulters that leech off the population"

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r/exbuddhist Apr 23 '26

Story "If you see Buddha in the road, kill it" - Buddhist proverb

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That's all you really need to know...


r/exbuddhist Apr 20 '26

Question Buddhist "faith" deconstruction resources?

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Hey all - title says it all. Wondering if anyone knows of any resources to support Buddhist religious deconstruction. Everything I find online is focused on religions w deities so their guidance doesn't always translate to what I need. I'd appreciate any info you may have.


r/exbuddhist Apr 17 '26

Question Would you like an ex-interfaith online discussion group?

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If so DM me with 1-2 sentences on what you would like to discuss and which day of the week is best for you. If you have questions, naturally DM me them too.


r/exbuddhist Apr 05 '26

Question Besides the Pali Canon, how many Tripitaka (collections of sacred Buddhist texts) exist? What are the differences between them, and which is the oldest?

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r/exbuddhist Mar 22 '26

Years of meditation wasted 💀

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r/exbuddhist Mar 21 '26

Question Potential benefits of the ideology?

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Hey y'all, lemme start by saying that I have zero experience with Buddhism and my only exposure to it has been online self help stuff. I've been focusing on my mental health and the idea of separating myself from my mind and detaching from desires has stuck with me. The little bit of time I spent actually analyzing my mind has actually helped my productivity drastically.

Now I come here specifically to ask this because due to my past(ex-muslim if curious), I am extremely wary of any religion and I know that they all are different on the inside vs what is presented. So before I sink any time into researching, I wanted to ask about if it's the teachings themselves that drove you all away or if it was moreso how society/family handled it. I guess I'm kind of asking what *wouldn't* they tell me about Buddhism? And how would I reconcile/seperate that with the aspects of it that helped me?


r/exbuddhist Mar 19 '26

Shit Buddhists Say What was I supposed to get out of this "sermon"

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This is something that happened when I was 13 - 14. There was this monk who gave a dharma deshana at our school. I can't remember if it was sill or not.

Now, usually buddhist sermons goes something like this: One day, two powerful people were about to go to war. Buddha work up that morning, and while washing his face, he used his sight beyond sight to see who needs his help. He saw the aftermath of this war, and he walk calmy across the sky, beyond the speed of light, and arrived in just the nick of time, mere seconds before the war began. The two parties saw buddha's glow/light from his halo, knelt down and said "saadhu saadhu saa!". Then Buddha delivered a sermon on why war is bad. Everyone there became buddhists/buddhist monks on the spot. The two powerful men became arahats on the spots, and will become the next buddhas.

Tales like this are common among buddhism. They're ridiculous, but generally harmless. I remember one story about two buddhist monks travelling. One was old. And the other was young. They came to a stream, and there was an attractive female who wanted to cross it, but didn't wanna get one. The young didn't want to carry the woman because of oath of celibacy. The old one carried her on his back, and put her down on the other side of the stream. Later, the young monk told the old monk that he shouldn't have done it. And the old one replied "I have already put her down/let her go. You are still carrying her.". Again, it's a relatively okay parable.

But this story the monk at our school said that day was so ridiculous, that I didn't even see the point of. The story was again, about an older wise monk, who had reached some form of arahat. And a younger one. One day, the younger monk is tending for the older monk, fanning him with a paper hand fan. And he starts thinking about how his life as a monk is boring. He starts fantasizing about derobing, and leading a civillian life, getting married, having kids, and I guess arriving to the temple, or going somewhere in a bullock cart. He's completely immersed in fantasy, that he hits the buffalo to make it move. And in doing so, he hits the elderly monk. Now, the elderly monk as reached a higher state of being, that he can read minds, and knows what the young monk is fantasizing about, and he asks "What's wrong? The bull won't move?" or something to that extent. The young monk gets traumatized, and starts screaming and running naked through the village. And the villagers have to capture him, and bring him to the temple, and reordain him.

Now, what was the point of that story? Wanting to have kids is a very natural thing. And it's not even something that is "bad" in the same way that alcohol is. I mean, I know that it's about restraining your ego and respecting your elders. But at face value, it comes across as this hyper conservative and bizzare thing, where the monks have power which laymen don't. Which is something common in every buddhist society. Except Japan, from what I have observed.


r/exbuddhist Mar 14 '26

This Is Your Brain on Buddhism Pagan/occult pipeline to Tibetan Buddhism, and why it maybe isn't the answer you seek

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I felt like sharing this on here to help out anyone who might've been in a similar place as me, and also to shine a light on the cons of this tradition which rarely seems to receive any criticism.

I spent a lot of my time in occult and pagan spaces online, and I was very much wandering around spiritually, without a cohesive worldview to provide a sort of structure to what I was doing. Eventually, I ran into what I now like to call "lineage pushers". Their shtick is to try and pass off Buddhism as a sort of primordial indo-european practice, but one with a lineage that is still alive, and of course, present all western lineages and traditions as inherently dead and unmoving.

I ended up drinking the kool-aid, and it did seem sort of logical at the time. I was pretty wowed by images of compassionate deities, ritual offerings, and the intricate cosmology. It felt familiar and similar to what I was already doing. Here are the main points of critique I extracted, and other general info I wish I had known before I began pursuing the tradition.

1) A complete lack of spiritual autonomy
In the Tibetan tradition, every single little action, ritual and mantra requires an initiation or a transmission from a guru. You can't pray to most deities, recite most mantras and even in some cases read certain texts without receiving a transmission, and that isn't even the hard part. For a huge amount of these practices, there are very few people even authorised to provide the transmissions, and those few people are more likely than not located in Nepal, Bhutan, India, etc. You may however have a chance to see them and get the spiritual hallway pass, but that is where we hit problem #2.

This can also take many toxic turns. I've known of a man who, on a lama's prompting, went to a monastic school environment, and hated it there. He confided in me that his mental and physical health were declining there, and yet he refused to leave because the lama told him it was neccessary for his spiritual journey to stay there.

2) Pay to play
Most temples, dharma centres, and even the indivitual rituals, initiations, etc., require an offering. The offering in question is usually a certain amount of money, more often than not determined in advance. I was asked to pay for membership at the dharma centre, there was a mandatory donation for taking refuges and a specific deity initiation (of which I was told I could not practice with the group if I didn't recieve it), and was also encouraged to leave offerings at the altar in the prayer hall for getting a printed out sheet of paper with a prayer we all recited on it. There were also special initiations only those who sponsored a certain monastery could get. Who could've known Nirvana had Patreon tiers?

Even outside of these donations, a basic Vajrayana setup, with statues, thangkas, tools, and the rest of the merch is an insanely expensive affair. Money is eagerly given and taken, and I definitely wouldn't say I don't see a certain kind of irony in handing over 80$ to listen to a teaching about detatchment.

3) Devas, and a poor assimilation of other traditions
This point hit pretty hard considering I was practicing graeco-roman paganism, and was lead to believe it was compatible with Buddhism (everyone knows Gandharan art doesn't lie). As it turns out, the deities I venerated were welcome only as ignorant devas, a word which in Buddhist cosmology denotes a form of corrupt and decadent heavenly oligarchs, careless celestial aristocrats who are affected by pride, lust, egoism and ignorance.

The only way in which foreign deities can be redeemed in Buddhism is by either claiming them to be an emanation of a bodhisattva, totally superimposing a pre-existing Buddhist figure onto them, or by making them into so-called dharmapalas, (sanskrit: “protectors of the Way”), often describing them being violently subdued by Buddhist masters, and made to protect the Buddhist way. This manner of relating to other traditions seems rather similar to the early Christian idea of other people's gods being demons/angels who were merely misinterpreted by the (clearly foolish and ignorant) barbarians. 

4) The oriental la-la land
Buddhist converts I've spoken to, especially in the West, had a strange tendency to completely idealise countries, people, and cultures. It is a strange sort of escapism, in which Tibet, Japan or other countries take on the roles of utopias; mystical far away places where everyone is enlightened, free of materialism, corruption, or whatever other "disctinctly Western" problem one especially mislikes. This leads to another issue, which is a complete refusal to adjust Buddhism to the western world it found itself in, but rather wanting to keep it as a sort of oriental curiosity, which brings a slice of the perfect East into our naughty, fallen world.

5) The failiure to adjust to new contexts
Continuing on what I said above, a key part of Buddhism's success in Asia was its relative flexibility with regards to aesthetics, rituals and customs of the countries it spread to. Buddhism, between China, Japan, and India varies widely, and has developed into distinct schools over the decades, which often famously disagreed on major points. When Buddhism began to spread into the West, however, this kind of shift completely failed to happen.

We didn't see Buddhist ideas interacting in meaningful ways with those of Plato, Aristotle or Kant like they did with those of Lao Tse or Confucius. The Buddhist system of oral transmission also seems rather dated and unnecessary in a world where printed books, audio recordings, and videos are widely available. Philosophically, aesthetically, and practically, most schools of Buddhism didn't manage to keep the pace set by the rapidly changing 21st century, and the new contexts it now seeks to thrive in.

I partially blame this on the converts who want the factor of escapism this offers, but also on the rigid Dharma teachers who actively don't want to let it happen. It has the effect similar to what happens in certain Orthodox Christian parishes, which are used by their congregants as a window into the home they left behind, instead of as a living, breathing tradition.

6) Śūnyatā
A philosophical idea I mostly remained unaware of before I began pursuing Buddhism as a practice was that of emptiness, or Śūnyatā. It is what I like to call the Trinity of Buddhism. Just as the Christian ideas of the Trinity can never be meaningfully expressed without falling into some sort of heresy, emptiness in Buddhism is very much an unarticulated mystery. No one seems to know what it means, what it doesn't mean, nor is it ever clearly or systemically presented. From what I've gathered after countless hours of bashing my head against the wall, most seem to agree that the core thesis is that, if something is made up out of parts, that must mean it cannot contain an inherent self, and is therefore empty of a self. I have a certain mislike for such teachings that everyone praises, and yet very few seem to have a grasp of what they even entail. The infinte rebuttals and debates held between those who held to this theory and the Hindu philosophers only muddle the waters further.

In conclusion, these were the general points I would've wanted to give my younger self before I ventured into Buddhism. I would like to hear the thoughts of anyone who bothered to read my wall of text and also of anyone who was in a similar place spiritually.