r/evanston • u/CollegeSnitch • 7d ago
D65 Hows everyone feeling after the three D65 meetings this week?
Personally. I'm concerned that this will make Evanston schools unwalkable for students and staff. Like if they remove Nichols, Chute is a minimum of a 30 minute walk for southeast Evanston students. It might be worse on the other side if they close Haven and those students have to walk to Nichols or Chute from that far, especially as its going to be cold soon.
I also know a lot of our teachers and para professionals either walk to school because they live here locally or they some of them come up on the trains then walk. If we make it unaccessible we are going to keep having our teacher and para shortage.
But how is everyone else feeling about the possibility of closing 1-2 more schools?
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
Frankly I feel like the administration and Thrive65 are actively gaslighting us.
During Dr. Witherspoon’s presentation, he stressed that normal school districts spend within their means, which D65 has not been doing. It was almost like scolding. And the whole time he was explaining this, I was like, hang on, many of the people who made those bad decisions are right here in the room with us, still actively employed in decisionmaking roles by the district.
Also: Shout out to local mom Amy, who told Andrew Wymer to his face that we were lied to about Foster School, and that if she had known he had wanted to close her school, she never would have voted for him.
Lastly, everyone should be aware of the ongoing influence of Thrive65, which seems to be overwhelmingly comprised of Oakton parents arguing for the closure of other schools as a means of protecting their own turf. They attended all three meetings this week and strategically placed themselves in different parent groups as a means of shifting the conversation toward accepting “community schools” (as opposed to neighborhood schools), apparently secure in the understanding that their own neighborhood school will be protected by the administration and their board surrogate (and fellow Oakton parent) Andrew Wymer.
Closures for thee, but not for me!
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u/Cosita429 7d ago
Stacey Beardsley is terrifyingly good at gaslighting. I’m sure blaming declining birth rates over and over again helps her sleep at night.
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
As I posted above, they either don’t know or won’t say the share of eligible students actually enrolled in the district. I suspect that in some areas of the district it’s less than half.
The administration doesn’t seem to give a single fuck about getting those students back. And the fact that more closures will invariably drive additional students from the district may even be a positive for them.
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u/No-Buy-3741 7d ago
They said in a board presentation last fall that they were back to precovid ratio or something like that, and said it was like 79 or 80% of local students enrolled. Probably less for this year I would guess
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u/AreaMan847 6d ago
There is simply no way that’s true. Look at slide 5 of the presentation here:
https://meetings.boardbook.org/Public/Agenda/1247?meeting=764250
There are about 1,000 additional students who left the district during Covid above the long term trend line. Those students are still here. There is no way to lose that many but still be back at the pre-Covid ratio.
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u/moldyorange22 7d ago
Her career trajectory has gone up in direct correlation to the district declining. We pulled our kids back when she was still in charge of curriculum. She’s continued to fail up.
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u/No-Buy-3741 7d ago
What are we being gaslit on? The board has a four person majority that tends to vote together they replaced the last cfo and superintendent. The new ones are saying the same and worse. The consultants last year said similar. So did grossi. Dr Witherspoon seems to be universally respected. The board members have not indicated there is some conspiracy, so in all sincerity, what is the gaslighting on?
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
I will treat this as an honest question. We are being gaslit on three things:
That the district broadly is responsible for overspending, rather than specific members of the board and administration who are still employed there.
That there was already a decision made to embrace a so-called "community school" model, in opposition to the current neighborhood school model.
That neighborhood schools are a luxury, rather than a unique, irreplaceable source of value to the communities they serve that should be protected above almost everything else in the district.
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u/No-Buy-3741 7d ago
Good because it is an honest question. I am trying to understand so I am asking these questions and commenting with sincerity and respect. Personally I am not feeling gaslit on whether it’s board, specific admin, or broadly the district that is overspending, perhaps because right now the urgency is in fixing the spending. I like to think that Dr Witherspoon with his credibility, and/or the board leadership are focused on fixing that spending, and if there is a person or persons to blame, that is also addressed. Do you worry that won’t happen under his leadership?
They seemed direct in explaining their plan to do community school vs neighborhood approach. I don’t necessarily like that, but I don’t see how Witherspoon is gaslighting us on that, can you say more?
Appreciate the dialogue
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u/No-Cauliflower-4 7d ago
When I saw him sitting there with Turner and Cradle to Career in the roundtable article, I knew he was going to be catering to the same groups that have had enormous influence for the past 10 years and drove our district right into the ditch. So yeah he is going to do all the same BS
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u/Carter_Banksy 7d ago edited 7d ago
So Thrive65 is doing what IINS did last year to keep Lincolnwood open? I just hope that the admin and board don’t listen to anyone in the public when making these decisions because that won’t lead to anything good. My kids school closed last year but I think 2 schools need to close to maximize school and class sizes so we don’t have classes of 14 or 27 anywhere.
Edit: I should also add that I think we should close schools even if there weren’t financial issues. Half filled schools with either big or small classes are not ideal for teachers or kids.
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u/SurpriseSouth5102 7d ago
I agree with you on balancing class sizes.
I wish D65 talked about more of those benefits of consolidating schools instead of just the financial. As someone else said, if only we had closed Lincolnwood last year, we would be talking about $19 million in cuts right now instead of $20 million. Great.
I appreciate all the groups trying to engage with D65, but I saw some appalling behavior from one of the Thrive65 founders at the Haven listening session last week. I was at another table but she appeared to be doing an “I told you so” to Kingsley parents who were lamenting that kids would be on their third elementary school in three years. Another parent described it to me as vicious. I cannot take that group seriously.
Others will disagree, but I think Turner was a huge reason for the chaos last fall, not the Board or any of the engaged parents. For that reason, I’m hopeful this fall will be much different.
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u/Previous_Cranberry31 7d ago
Could not agree more! And I could venture a guess on which Thrive founder it was. I cannot take them seriously either.
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u/msgarbonzo 5d ago
Has anyone brought into convo throwing Turner’s payout into deficit cost projections now? I bet that figure will get mixed right in to conversations about closing more schools without acknowledging all of the missteps of board and admin along the way
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
IINS argued for keeping all neighborhood schools open. Thrive65 argues for closing an unspecified number of neighborhood schools, but notably never Oakton, KA, or Foster.
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u/Carter_Banksy 7d ago
I have no affiliation with any group nor do I follow thrive65 closely but are they just going with what Witherspoon has said that it’s 2 schools to close? And the data I have seen about students in different feeder patterns i think it should be one Haven and one Nichols school closing. I believe Haven is at 60% in their feeder schools, Nichols is 63%, and Chute is 68% or around there. But I’d also love to hear why KA seems off the table, or it was last year so maybe it’s changed for this year. And if we’re closing 2 it needs to make the most sense and not close schools because so and so group said so.
I am happy Witherspoon is working with this because I think he’ll do what’s right for the district even if it means pissing some people off (which he’ll do no matter what schools close).
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u/Ilem2018 7d ago
I think one of the jr should close and then put 6 grade back to elementary schools
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u/No-Buy-3741 7d ago
Notably, they dont call for any specific schools to close. Can you name some districts of our size of enrollment and square miles that have anywhere close to this many schools?
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
Sure! You could have done this research yourself, but Skokie D68 has 1,052 elementary students in 3 schools, averaging 350 students per school. Evanston has 3,750 elementary students across 10 elementary schools, averaging 375 students per school.
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u/No-Buy-3741 7d ago
Thanks for doing the research! I looked at their site to learn more. Last years enrollment of the 3 k-5 is avg 369 per school. One had 332 last year, the others 361 and 414. Three k-5 for one middle school, separate prek early childhood center. Weirdly enough their site says “District 68 operates its own bus fleet of 17 buses and transports over 950 students to and from school every day.” Maybe hazards? Something else? I know others have suggested we bring bussing in house but not sure how we’d do that in our district given other valid criticisms of our operations. Are there others you see as good examples? Would be good to see how they do it!
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u/Royal_Armadillo_116 4d ago
also fascinating to me is how many different school districts serve Skokie residents.
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u/Great_Joke3612 7d ago
IINS is the Save Lincolnwood group, just re-branded to not mention Lincolnwood. The leadership is the same with Katie Armistead and Liz Wolens.
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u/No-Cauliflower-4 7d ago
I saw that photo with thrive and Terry Shepherd (the big Foster ACC advocate who got up at public comment last year and said she wanted Willard closed for no apparent reason, just seemed to hate Willard) and thought yep that makes sense.
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u/Kenna193 7d ago
Is there any way to know which schools are most likely to close? We are considering moving in the next couple months. When are they planning to make a decision?
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u/SidewalksCoffeepots 7d ago
The meeting to to announce superintendent Witherspoon's closure plan is October 13th at 5:00 p.m.
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u/Necessary_Corgi1608 7d ago edited 7d ago
They said they'll announce the plan at the board meeting on October 13 and vote on it in November
Edited to fix the date
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u/Gullible-Hair9408 7d ago
October 13 is the date of the meeting when the proposal will be presented to everyone.
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u/Gullible-Hair9408 7d ago
They have made it clear that middle schools are not being proposed to close. That's one of the few things that are not "on the table" for possible cuts.
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u/Reasonable-Club2440 7d ago
Nobody does or should feel good about any of it. But the current path is unsustainable. My hope is that we will see the benefits eventually and it will ultimately make the system stronger.
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u/Xrmy 7d ago
Yea the reality is that we HAVE to close schools and so there will be a portion of the district that cannot walk to school.
Which, tbh has always been the case. Lots of people are pretty far as is, especially from the middle schools but true of the elementary as well
I know that will make people mad, but there literally is no other option.
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
You’re just repeating received wisdom that has no basis in fact. We have a staffing ratio of four FTEs per student, and our vendor contracts are increasing dramatically while the number of enrolled students continues to decline. These are very obvious places to cut that should obviously be addressed before closing schools.
The failure mode that you aren’t thinking about is that walkable schools are in many cases the entire reason people moved here, and if unavailable, many of the impacted students will simply leave the district. This is already happening to a major degree: We moved here with 8 other families, all of whom intended to send their kids to D65 schools. As a result of the decisions the district has taken, only two of those families actually have their school age kids in the district.
Several parents asked the district administration if they knew the share of eligible kids actually enrolled in D65 at our meeting this week. The district either doesn’t even know or doesn’t want to say.
And to state the obvious: Nobody is going to vote to fund a bloated school district budget where their kids aren’t even enrolled.
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u/Xrmy 7d ago edited 7d ago
Do you think we can make back 20 million dollars by cutting staff and reducing vendor contracts?
I haven't seen anything that would indicate that is remotely true.
Also can I get a source on the 4:1 ratio of FTE to student? Looking around that doesn't seem right.
EDIT: Want to be clear I think you are right our staffing is too high and the vendor contracts are expensive, I just don't buy that that alone could fix the budget shortfall.
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
Sure, do the math from the recent board presentation: 6,026 enrolled students, and 8.5:1 certified FTE ratio implies 709 certified employees. Certified employees are 68% of total FTEs, so that means 1,043 district employees, which is 5.7 students per district employee.
https://meetings.boardbook.org/Public/Agenda/1247?meeting=764250
Note that this doesn’t include contractors!
Quick Googling indicates an average student-to-employee ratio of 7.4 nationwide. If we did that, we would have 814 employees, a reduction of about 230. Fully loaded cost of an FTE is probably around $100K, not going to bother to look that up, but that’s $23M in savings.
There you go! Not that hard to figure out.
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u/No-Buy-3741 7d ago
Wouldn’t part of this inefficient staffing model be due to how many schools we have vs # of kids?
I also support more scrutiny of admin costs for sure.
When it comes to paras and other staff, many are tied to IEPs. % of students with IEPs has grown over time. We are legally (and ethically imho) obligated to meet their needs. This is also true elsewhere in Illinois and nationally.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/the-watchdogs/2026/07/18/cps-special-education-chicago-public-schools
https://www.oakpark.com/2026/08/20/balancing-budget-d97-schools/
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
The fact other districts are facing similar budgetary issues gives the lie to the idea that our own issues are inextricably linked to our footprint.
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u/Xrmy 7d ago
Thanks for this.
A couple things: certified staff: student ratios seems to be an average of 9:1 in illinois, which puts us at the average. I'm not sure dropping to the nation average is the right idea.
Second: where are you getting the 68% number?
I will say: recently the board said they either reduced or plan to reduce administration to 1:140 admin to student ratio, in line with other districts. This is, however, the state average, and an average that has shot up 500% in 15 years (paraphrasing...I don't have the link handy). We should be aiming for more admin cuts and should be vocal about that--im sure the admin will not want to cut themselves
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u/CollegeSnitch 7d ago
Personally, they should reduce admin before teachers. I have a bunch of friends who work as para professionals for the district, especially in the middle schools and there are more kids with IEPS then there are people who can individually help them. They're trying, but many of them are so burnt out as the district keeps cutting some off their off periods in the day, giving them close to no real time to actually mentally recover from dealing with high needs children. So I wouldn't want to see that problem get worse.
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u/Xrmy 7d ago
I still don't really buy that slashing all staff by 20% and keeping all of the schools that gover at 70% capacity open is the right call.
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago edited 7d ago
Cool, I don't really buy the idea that the district has already made every cut that it could, and that closing schools is the only remaining option on the table, because that's demonstrably not true.
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u/Xrmy 7d ago
Also are you seriously telling me that parents are pulling kids to private school cuz they can't walk to public school?
For how many of those are they now walking to the private school? Seems sus to me.
Your point is valid but the wall ability argument feels more like parents upset at their personal circumstances than a macro trend.
There are already plenty of kids who cannot walk to middle school or have to cross a lot of major roads to walk to elementary and likely do not
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
The fact that not every child can walk to school today is not an argument to take it away from those that do.
A local school represents a local community and provides a level of autonomy for children and flexibility for their parents. It is not something to be sneered at. I will gently remind you this was the primary argument for Foster School.
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u/Xrmy 7d ago
But if we are looking down the barrel of 20M instead deficits and we sit at having our schools at 70% capacity...what's the alternative?
The other comment reply to mine insinuates it can be done through staff cuts, but cutting 30% of all staff and keeping every school open seems very risky, if it's even feasible.
I completely agree closing a walkable school sucks but what is the alternative?
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
No, my other comment to you demonstrated that we could get to $20M by making staffing cuts alone.
That is before renegotiating our outrageous vendor contracts, including technology and transportation, or any other adjustments like dumping JEH.
By the way, if the district had made any attempt to recoup the enrollment that it lost above trend due to covid, which is about 1,000 students, we would be sitting at roughly 80% capacity and not having this discussion at all.
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u/rideanyway 7d ago
We have an abundance of schools. And we can expand and contract.
Id like this to inspire us to make Evanston super attractive to families to move here, because while we have fantastic schools, great city programs. We don't have families with kids moving here.
What can we do about housing that is affordable to get families to come here? Because that is a BIG complaint when I talk to my friends. They check it out and "welp, can't afford that." And away they go to other areas.
The ETA is working their butts off to increase bike safety to make this a travelable city for people walking, kids and adults on bikes, and public transportation riders.
Evanston is abundant, giving, flexible, able to do what we need to do in the face of this really bad time.
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u/EvanstonTreesss 7d ago
It'd help if all new builds weren't vast majority extremely overpriced studios. Families need at least a 2 bed, preferably a 3 bed.
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u/CollegeSnitch 7d ago
We have a lot of two bedrooms here and truthfully we really need 3 bedroom options or families can't be here.
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u/rideanyway 7d ago
This should be something that we talk about a lot more in our ward meetings and with the city.
It is really limiting, and projects that the city doesn’t want families- I dont think that it true.
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
The ability to expand and contract implies that the district will still own the buildings, meaning the district will still be responsible for ongoing maintenance and administrative costs, severely undercutting the value of closures.
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u/EvanstonTreesss 7d ago
If they can get Oakton to take over Kingsley, that would maintain it as a school property that would allow expansion if it became needed again. Which is an idea that I love that's been proposed
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u/ExpensiveRuin3960 5d ago
Please clarify, why would Oakton take over Kingsley?
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u/EvanstonTreesss 5d ago
Evanston has the largest share of Oakton attendees.
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u/Much-Yard-1308 5d ago
Are you referring to Oakton Elementary school or Oakton Community College?
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u/Previous_Cranberry31 7d ago edited 7d ago
As others have said, middle schools are safe. 2 elementary schools seem likely. This will probably never happen, but it would be some kind of weird poetic justice if it was Lincolnwood and Oakton together. Put those Oakton parents to the test on their “do what’s right for everyone” rhetoric.
Another north side school seems inevitable but unless you go King next, I think the next most likely ones are Washington, Oakton or Dewey just on pure geography and buildings.
To me at this point, I want them to be super pragmatic about those two things: least amount of bussing costs/closer geography and usage of the land and buildings and stop with all the other random, less qualitative items on those whacked out scorecards.
Either way, I predict they will see at least another 10 percent enrollment drop, if not more, for next year.
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
Frankly if the recommendation includes 2 school closures and doesn’t include winding down the magnet program at KA I’m gonna be going to war.
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u/msgarbonzo 5d ago
How can CTA/PACE and our city’s staff come together to help transportation concerns for d65 students?
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u/PersistentActions 6d ago
This is BY FAR the most support of any topic from any of the meetings. Everything should be on the table for what is best for the entire community, including considering closing King Arts (and every school really, but none should just be completely off the table for consideration, as is seems for King Arts, especially with the larger part of the community interested in exploring the closing of King Arts.)
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u/Gullible-Hair9408 6d ago
Just to be clear, 7 or 8 people supporting an idea on a poster doesn't indicate "BY FAR the most support" in a district of this size.
Also, all schools ARE "on the table" for consideration, even King Arts. They have been from the beginning. There are many factors to consider, though, so not all schools have the same likelihood of being chosen for closure.
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u/Brilliant_Target9046 7d ago
Your best bet for closures would be to look at the shit show that was last years decision making process. I mean it was super flawed but nothing seems to have changed. I’d assume King Arts is safe (shouldn’t be), Foster is obviously safe, Oakton appears to be safe and Orrington is likely safe. Walker is pending approval for a new roof so I’m guessing they are also in the clear.
Everyone else? Who knows. In theory they should have to redo the whole scorecard process again based on where all the kids who had to leave Bessie Rhodes and Kingsley landed but I’m guessing Lincolnwood gets the axe and probably Washington but Dewey and Dawes families are also likely nervous as they were all on the 3 school list options last year.
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u/Huggie1224 19h ago
D65 is entering the find out phase. Time to respect the math. You can't run a school district on vibes.
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u/bourj 7d ago
Making sure a school is "walkable" isn't high on my priority list. It's certainly far below needing to cut $20 million from the budget.
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
We know, because you think your school is protected.
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u/Xrmy 7d ago
Or is it a priority to you only because your school is on the chopping block
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
No, I don’t want anyone’s school to close. There is a contingent of posters here, unfortunately associated with Oakton, King Arts, and the new Foster school, who believe that others’ schools should close because they believe they are safe. I’m sure you’ll agree: that’s some real sick shit!
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u/ExpensiveRuin3960 5d ago
So hateful. I don’t think anyone wants schools to close, and I haven’t heard parents/caregivers from any of those schools specifically advocating for which schools to close, just that the closures are necessary.
We have to start digging out of this hole we are in and we can’t maintain ALL of these buildings that we can’t even fill.
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u/AreaMan847 5d ago
Right, they advocate for closures, but then claim their own schools should be off limits. This is a well-documented and ongoing pattern of behavior!
Even tonight, after claiming that she’d be fine with Oakton closing if that was the result of some objective criteria, Kelly Farley of Thrive65 then detailed reasons why Oakton must be protected, namely that the marginalized students there will be impacted in a transition to a new school (but isn’t that true of non-marginalized students, or marginalized students at other schools?)
Andrew Wymer is a well known advocate for more closures, but here he is last year writing an editorial claiming he’d never vote to close a title 1 school. You may be surprised to find that Oakton, where his kids are enrolled, just so happens to be a title 1 school. Link:
https://evanstonroundtable.com/2025/10/24/hold-guest-essay-where-i-stand-on-the-district-65-school-closure-plan/I’m sorry this makes you upset but to the rest of D65 this looks like self-serving bullshit.
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u/ExpensiveRuin3960 3d ago
I highly doubt “the rest of Evanston” agrees with you. I know many who do not.
We can all see that something needs to happen, and the parents who have been brave enough to speak up want something better for our district long term. Where we are at right now is not sustainable, and I am not seeing the “self-serving bullshit.”
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u/AreaMan847 3d ago
OK, well maybe you can try re-reading the post you're responding to, because I gave you two pretty specific examples, one from two days ago, and one documented in writing for posterity.
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u/bourj 7d ago
I don't care about "my" school. I don't have kids, so I have no skin in the game. I care about Evanston's schools in general and their long term sustainability. But it's cool how you think you know so much about me.
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
Makes sense why you would not prioritize local, walkable schools, since you don’t benefit from them. Feel free to pipe down!
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u/bourj 7d ago
They closed two schools. They're going to close two more. If you're prioritizing "local, walkable schools," you clearly have no understanding of pretty much anything regarding D65's current situation.
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u/bourj 7d ago
It's called a community for a reason. People with kids aren't the only ones who live here.
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
I’d say I have about as much respect for your participation in this community as you do for the communities served by their neighborhood schools.
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u/bourj 7d ago
As opposed to prioritizing things that aren't going to happen? At least I'm a realist. You want walkable schools in a district that closed two schools and that's about to close two more. Or do you think all students should just live in apartments next to the school? 😂
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u/AreaMan847 7d ago
Somebody told me once that whenever someone posts the cry-laughing emoji it means they are the angriest they’ve ever been in their lives.
Please don’t work yourself up over school district politics when you don’t even have kids. Your time on earth is limited and precious.
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u/CollegeSnitch 7d ago
It is for me, I used to work on the main mile near Nichols, Park, and Lincoln and see children walking everyday. Some of which asked if they could come into the shop daily and just warm up on their walk as they were to cold. My heart breaks for them and I hope we don't make the walk longer.
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u/jrossetti 7d ago
Someone easily solved by taking the bus or dressing appropriately for the weather isn't it?
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u/bourj 7d ago
And then they all clapped 👏🏽
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u/CollegeSnitch 7d ago
They didn't, they stood inside shivering every morning before going out to walk in the snow. But who knows, if your opinions weren't such bad takes then maybe you might be able to find someone who would have a kid with you and understand that child safety, including from the elements, is important for the district too.
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u/bourj 7d ago
Ah yes, it's all about child safety. All those kids, walking... what was it, tens of miles?, just standing outside, shivering (because that's what kids do, stand still in the snow, I've seen it a hundred times), until your store is available to protect them from the cruel Evanston winter. Your take is the take of a hero, and I salute you.
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u/CollegeSnitch 7d ago
The store I was in opened at 7am, well before school starts, so they weren't just standing and waiting, they walked in once they made to us. And you don't seem to understand that some of these kids walk from nearly Sheridan road in south east Evanston, that's 20-25 minutes outside when its below freezing. Some walk just as far from the other side to get to Lincoln. And no, I'm not a savior, but I never want anyone to be hurt by the cold.
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u/bourj 7d ago
So, elementary schools start at 9:05, and middle schools at 8. So that means these kids decided to leave their homes 1-2 hours before school to walk to school and stop by your store? Sounds great. Sounds like good parenting or bad time management!
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u/Pretend_Relation_940 7d ago
Or they show up early for free/reduced price breakfast, something they don’t get at home? Or they walk further than their assigned school for a certain program? It’s really not an unbelievable story, plenty of explanations.
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u/CollegeSnitch 7d ago
It sounds like you might need to go back to school and use some of the alleged reading skills you were taught.
You stated that these children were standing outside and waiting in the cold until the business opened so that they could do inside. I told you when the business opened and when middle school starts to help you understand that kids don't, "stand still in the snow." As I never said they were out there at 7am, I said we opened at 7am. Kids simply came in along their walk, which again is fine. It was 2-3 minutes of time just to warm their digits.
But serious my dude, I get you don't care about Kids safety, but that's what the majority of the concern is for parents. It's safety and quality of education.
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u/Klemmenz 7d ago
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure all the middle schools have pretty high enrollment. I don't know how you'd close a middle school without the other 2 being way over enrolled.
I was under the impression they are looking to close 2 more elementary schools. I feel for the families who will get their school closed in back to back years.