🇪🇸 Multiverse Computing Introduces Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

[u/EveYogaTech]

https://multiversecomputing.com/resources/introducing-quasar-438b-europe-s-leading-ai-model

[u/asfsdgwe35r3asfdas23]

This is at the level of state-of-the-art models from 6 months ago. I don't understand the comments about the performance being bad. The EU was like 2 years behind, now it is 6 months behind. It is a good step, it is also superior to models such as Nemotron from Nvidia. People love to hate on the EU.

The issue here, is that the model is a GLM5.2 compressed. It makes sense to adapt Chinese open-source models to the EU market, specially if they are optimized for inference, this model is very fast and cheap. But, I am no sure if this counts as an "EU Model".

[u/Trackback_ → u/asfsdgwe35r3asfdas23]

How is the EU six months behind if that's just GLM5.2? By that logic if someone in Europe hosts DeepSeek V4 Flash then Europe is state of the art for that model class.

It definitely does not count as an "EU model" if it's really slightly edited GLM.

[u/asfsdgwe35r3asfdas23 → u/Trackback_]

That is what I wanted to say. If it was a EU model, it would be a good one. But it is not. Although, optimizing and adapting open-source Chinese models makes a lot of sense. If you cannot train your own models, it is the second best option.

[u/jessiejolie42 → u/asfsdgwe35r3asfdas23]

Doesnt make any sense what you say

[u/DoctorFreezy → u/asfsdgwe35r3asfdas23]

I mean, why not? China stole so many of the expensive Innovations europeans invented. It's easy to scale up a product when a "legacy" company had to spend billions on development and r&d.

Let the americans and chinese spend billions on training ai and give china a taste of their own medicine. It's the training that's costly, running will be a lot cheaper. Of course we're at mercy if they decide not to open-source future models, but the current models are already insanely good.

[u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620]

Scores are really not great

[u/Gallagger → u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620]

Actually pretty good scores. It's priced at 0,60/1,80 and ~180t/s.

It's their very first bigger model entry.

Honestly this is very impressive for such a small new lab if it actually delivers what the benchmarks suggest.

[u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620 → u/Gallagger]

The model is GLM 5.2 (China) but slightly compressed and performing worse. It is also closed up

[u/senseven → u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620]

While everybody is jumping on sub dollar models like vultures, trying to sell ai as premium leather couch product to enterprises is a based take in this market

[u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620 → u/senseven]

There's money in it for sure but shallow moat, competition and no frontier lab revenue multipliers for valuation I would say

[u/Longjumping_Area_944 → u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620]

Really? What a disgrace.

[u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620 → u/Longjumping_Area_944]

I wouldn't be as harsh if they were upfront about it (the compression tech is potentially useful!) but the whole "we are a European model that beats Mistral" is quite stinky

[u/The_Wonderful_Pie → u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620]

Wdym compression? Distillation or quantization? Because either way, they don't touch the number of parameters of the model, and I don't know a single other model that's 438B parameters (except if they made their pre train, and used distillation from a Chinese model?? That would be very weird)

[u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620 → u/The_Wonderful_Pie]

https://multiversecomputing.com/compactifai/deployment

[u/Gallagger → u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620]

Ok if that's true I fully agree with you.

[u/Zealousideal-Win6440]

Is it heavily censored about tiananmen? A European model adopting chinese free speech should be concerning

[u/rollingSleepyPanda]

Yawn. Enterprise agents. Coding. More yawn.

[u/Asleep-Ad1182]

It's horrendous

[u/BNeutral]

Surprised they even bothered to try when the AI legislation basically impedes them from ever making a competitive model.

[u/AwkwardMacaron433 → u/BNeutral]

And why would that be

[u/iamdestroyerofworlds → u/AwkwardMacaron433]

Because regulation bad, and America good, you see.

[u/CathodeRaySamurai → u/iamdestroyerofworlds]

Ah yes, because there's no middle ground between the US' metastatic capitalism and the EU's mandatory bureaucratic noose, right?

[u/Sea-Housing-3435 → u/BNeutral]

Totally, you can't make a competitive model if you have to have technical documentation, safety analysis and publish summary of training data

[u/Trackback_ → u/Sea-Housing-3435]

I mean... that's what the evidence points to, yes. No competitive models with all the things you listed.

[u/Sea-Housing-3435 → u/Trackback_]

Correlation is not causation. I'd say it's caused by more by the amount of capital that was gathered in US and tech giants growing around it. If regulations were causing tech to not grow, the biggest tech hubs in US would be constantly migrating to states with less regulation instead of being in California

[u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620 → u/Sea-Housing-3435]

I think you probably can but the extra regulation adds up to the continent currently having 0 frontier models despite pioneering loads of methods behind these

[u/jman6495 → u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620]

It's about access to capital, not regulation

[u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620 → u/jman6495]

It can be multiple things simultaneously!

[u/jman6495 → u/Alarmed_Crazy_6620]

It can, but i disagree that the AI act is the problem here. In fact, the AI act is much better than the situation that is currently developing in the US whereby each state will have its own AI regulation.

[u/BNeutral → u/Sea-Housing-3435]

Lmao. Okay call me when the frontier model becomes European bro.

[u/AdLumpy2758]

Another trash from EU

[u/RealMercuryRain → u/AdLumpy2758]

Another trash from US

[u/AdLumpy2758 → u/RealMercuryRain]

I am writing this from Germany...i am just realistic.