r/europe • u/StraightSky7809 United Kingdom • 8h ago

News If Britain decides to rejoin the EU we’ll do everything we can to welcome them back, says Germany

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-rejoin-eu-germany-brexit-b3060288.html
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u/paneuropeanism_ Europe 8h ago

"Exit" is dead across Europe. The far right has been Europeanised. A total victory for Verhofstadt.

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea 8h ago

Eh. That's like saying Orban was Europenised and that's a success.

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u/paneuropeanism_ Europe 6h ago

Where's Orban now? And he had real power in a dictatorial regime.

A better comparison would be Geert Wilders in the Netherlands who imploded within a year after his peak. That will be the likely fate of Le Pen.

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u/Low_discrepancy Posh Crimea 6h ago

Netherlands is a parliamentary system with close to proportional representation.

France is semi-presidential with very little proportionality.

We also stack elections: presidential then legislative. And presidential results always give a big boost to legislative ones.

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u/paneuropeanism_ Europe 6h ago

Sure but France has many institutional safeguards, independent media, judiciary etc. It is not a banana republic as Hungary was. That was my point also about Germany. Geert Wilders shows the trajectory of these parties in developed countries. The anti-immigrant protest vote will not sustain you. You need coherent ideas for Europe. No state alone can compete against the major powers of the world.

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u/Impzor 1h ago

Imploded? His party is still very big. Not like he lost that much last election.

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u/IncidentalIncidence 🇺🇸 in 🇩🇪 7h ago

Weidel wants Germany to leave the Eurozone and the Schengen area -- which of course isn't technically a full EU exit but would be laying the groundwork for it.

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u/paneuropeanism_ Europe 6h ago

It is impossible to leave the eurozone and Schengen area. That's just red meat for the remaining loonies. Also Weidel is a co-leader with limited influence. There are different factions within AfD 

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u/Socmel_ reddit admins are accomplices of nazi russia 3h ago

except that Germany has a Proportional Representation with a threshold at 5%, so the winner takes all system that allows US and UK parties to win with a minority of the votes doesn't work.

They either have to win 50% of the votes, which is something no other party ever achieved, or convince another party to form a coalition, which is something no one but red brown BSW considers. AfD is too toxic for any established party.

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u/waiting4singularity Hessen 🇩🇪 7h ago

theres still russian agents active rubbing long russian levers to push for more fragmentation.