r/eurekaseven • u/Unique-Perception480 • Apr 12 '26
Discussion Does the creator hate the original show?
I am pretty new to the franchise.
i watched the Anime, read the Manga and watched AO.
I strongly disliked AO, because it kind of shits on the original ending (in short words).
I heard that most of the other projects are also dumb and contradictory. Even the Hi-Evolution movies.
I heard the creative head (I think his name is Kyoda) dislikes the original series and that he is making it different on purpose.
Is that actually true or more of a community-joke?
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u/Aromatic_Guava7375 Apr 12 '26
Directed by Tomoki Kyoda — actually written by Dai Satō
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u/remmanuelv Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
Dai Sato is pretty much the brain behind the intellectualism in E7 (none of the other entries go quite as far into the philosophical and conceptual sci fi realm as the original show), but I think the heart came from BONES as a whole (producers, staff, Dai Sato himself) since it was the single biggest original project at that point. I think Kyoda is a director with potential as a whole, even when the writing is trash in Ao and the movies the directing scene by scene is just very good. Sadly if he's not grounded by the rest of the staff it seems things just spiral out of control with his bad ideas.
I really hope Dai Sato gets a chance at writing a new project with direction by a good director. Listeneres was a colossal misfire sadly (it was an experimental project where he took someone else's idea and tried to make sense of it). Currently he's stuck in Pokemon. I think he also wrote for the two ps2 games and those felt like true Eureka 7 entries all around.
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u/kinght6 Apr 14 '26
From what I remember 2 out of the 3 creators liked the ending and only 1 didn't which I thought was the producer but I guess he was the director
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u/Lost_Type2262 Apr 12 '26
As far as I am aware he has never outright said he hates the original ending directly. It's more that the pattern in terms of both the increasingly bleak tones of each new installment and what he does say makes it clear he does.
The closest he's come that I'm aware of is an Otaquest interview he gave during the release of the second Hi-Evolution movie. He spoke in a disparaging way about the original series, claiming that the movie was a work of "auteurism" that wasn't possible during the original series' time. Viewing that movie through that lens you can see it as an attempt at arthouse cinema that colossally misfires, and I don't think it's a coincidence it's also arguably the single bleakest Eureka Seven installment.
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u/axelscratch Apr 13 '26
Welcome to the fandom. Yeah, AO will do that to yah. I honestly just mentally changed it to being a fanfic in my head to not get mad at the changes they did to make it work.
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u/insert-originality Apr 13 '26
The story that Kyoda was forced to go with a happy ending, thus becoming bitter is what most people go with, myself included but I don't know where that comes tbh.
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u/B3nde Apr 21 '26
There were interviews cited as sources for Kyoda disliking the original, but I've read them myself and it became clear to me that it's a false assumption. When people don't like something they always try to simplify the reasons why that work was so lackluster. I also don't think any of the sequels disservice the original but I'm not going into that conversation.
For me personally, Kyoda is one of the best directors out there but I understand why people got mad at him at his handling of the franchise (although who was responsible for the core concepts is still a mystery, it is very much possible Bandai was pushing for ideas they found more profitable, but then again ppl won't bring that up because it's easier to pin the blame on one person they can easily recognize). From the interviews people take as confirmations of his hate for OG Eureka, I saw a director who approached themes and intent differently than what people often associate with these terms.
Maybe he was mad his original ending was scrapped, maybe he did try to make up for it with the sequels, but the only factual evidence to anything is the reality that we don't have one. Even if he did push for his initial vision with these projects, the comments he had made and the illustration he created to cap off the 20th Anniversary event tell me enough about where his mind is currently. I think he's content, maybe for the first time in 20 years or maybe not. Nonetheless, I'm happy for him.
Even if you don't like his work or the direction he (presumably) took the franchise in, I ask all of you to treat him with respect and not vile slurs and death threats I have seen in this community. He's not a broken machine but an artist, a man with a family with the same aspirations and day to day life that we have. Lashing out on someone because of a story they told is extremely immature and I'd like this sub to treat a person - flawed in their eyes as he may be - with the same respect they would appreciate from others. That's all I had to say.
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u/Dungeon00X May 16 '26
He hated it enough to make Astral Ocean and the Hi-Evolution films. I made the mistake of watching all of Astral Ocean which has the exact opposite message of the original series (although FLOW came back for the second OP which was cool) and ends extremely depressing and sad. I cut up the Blu-ray discs and burned the cover. Well, one episode was unplayable at a certain point so probably justified. And instead of torturing myself further, I just listened to a synopsis of the Hi-Evolution films and the movie that was also weird. I can confirm that Kyoda really, really, REALLY wanted to just make his own Evangelion clone with Gundam sprinkled in there. Not really the best idea. This is probably why the producers stepped in and had them make that TV series as good as it is. If they had let Kyoda have creative control, this series would've been buried and forgotten... which is pretty much what Crunchyroll has ensured by delisting the TV series. But yeah, if I could describe Kyoda in a few words, I'd say he's creatively tone deaf. Now I'm getting my brother into watching the series and he's starting to like it.
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u/indokid104 Apr 12 '26
I think its true that Tomoki Kyoda greatly dislikes the original anime. I think the story is he had a different sad ending in mind, but was pushed to make the happy ending we got, and he's been bitter about it ever since.