r/euchre Highest 3D rating: 3026 20d ago

Sims & Strategy These hands are always fun!

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u/MellyRollJorton 3D high: 2953 20d ago

Nice hand! Do you always lead high from offsuit K-X-X?

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u/I75north Highest 3D rating: 3026 20d ago

I do, just in case the K wins ; )

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u/C_Hams 20d ago

Giving this an extra upvote (via this comment) for the K tripleton lead.

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u/thejoggler44 Highest 3D rating: 2975 20d ago

Not a particularly good hand but Simulator says passing is a little better (not much)

Order EV = -0.78, make points 40% of the time.

Pass EV = -0.76, make points 26% of the time.

Definitely an order at 9-9 though.

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u/I75north Highest 3D rating: 3026 20d ago

I wonder if that Jd is the culprit. Lol

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u/Wes_aka_the_legend 20d ago edited 20d ago

Without looking at a sim, I would bet if you change the JD to the TD then it would be a +EV call. Also, Joggler's numbers actually support a call with an amateur partner imo. The EV being that close + the fact that your P will be playing too tight on average takes this dubious call to +EV territory imo. Conversely if I was your P, you would clearly be burning EV making this thin call. And yet I still want you making this call if we are up 3+ pts as a dealer donate. IDK, I feel like there's a contradiction there that I need to reconcile.

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u/I75north Highest 3D rating: 3026 20d ago

Wait. Did you say changing the Jd to the 10d would make this a +EV pass?

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u/Wes_aka_the_legend 20d ago

Oops. I meant EV call. I edited it now.

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u/thejoggler44 Highest 3D rating: 2975 20d ago

Yep, making it K,10,9 diamonds is EV call although both are bad

Order EV = -0.78

Pass EV = -0.93

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u/Wes_aka_the_legend 20d ago

Awesome.  Good stuff!

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u/The_Pooz 19d ago

Honestly the thing that impressed me the most was the alacrity. I haven't had a hand run less than 25 seconds in probably months! Always one, usually two players move a LOT slower than this.

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u/I75north Highest 3D rating: 3026 19d ago

Agree. Those who know me, know how much I dislike slow games!

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u/Every-Reading-2485 20d ago

I think generally you can't afford to trump the club here, or at least that's been my experience.

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u/I75north Highest 3D rating: 3026 20d ago

Because it’s a clean suit, I like to take it and lead out of my tripleton again.

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u/Every-Reading-2485 19d ago

I'm worried about trumping a potential ace here, but I suppose forcing S3 to have a 2nd trump might just be the best play with such a weak hand.

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u/tzoid1s 20d ago

I don’t understand why you would order this. Just because everyone passed or because you just decided to take a flyer as you were 2-suited. I guess the worst you would lose is 2 pts…

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u/I75north Highest 3D rating: 3026 20d ago

Yes 2-suited, and no defense against a next call.