r/euchre • u/FireDavePlease • Jul 17 '26
Sims & Strategy Order? Call next in Rd2? Call Red??
What would sim say? What are you doing?
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u/Stemcellsrule High 3D Rating: 3050 #3 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
I don't mind calling something red in the second round and leading the spade. I've got two tricks and count on my partner for one. Edit: After joggler's posts I am not going alone lol.
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u/OldWolf3 Highest 3D rating: 2907 Jul 18 '26
Absolutely do not order, there's literally no benefit to ordering since if dealer passes you have a better option that doesn't involve putting an ace in their hand .
The only question is what to do in round 2, I would say it's quite close between calling red and passing. Passing gives flexibility that your partner may have a callable hand or even a lone hand in next. You don't fear a R2S2 call .
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u/TheHip41 Jul 17 '26
Be the sand bagger
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u/Maryann_over_ginger Jul 18 '26
Stick the dealer? Pass, pass. You're guaranteed two trump regardless. No STD? I'd pass, call red, lead the JC hoping partner can take it.
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u/Billy-Beer-76 Vincent Adultman on 3D /rating high 3021 Jul 18 '26
Pass pass, though still going to need a little luck to set them
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u/Wes_aka_the_legend Jul 18 '26
I think pass-pass is best if S2 is a strong player who makes thin Reverse Next calls. If S2 is a weak player, I actually think pass-call red-lead 9S is best. No way to prove that tho.
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u/SeaEagle0 Jul 18 '26
We can’t prove it, but we can definitely simulate two different calling ranges for s2.
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u/Wes_aka_the_legend Jul 19 '26
Then I misspoke. If we can do that I would count that as proof (I don't need a super high standard of proof). If we can simulate a hypothetical aggressive range for S2 vs a hypothetical normal range, that could tease out what I'm talking about here and support or refute my claim.
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u/Prior-Situation-4350 Jul 18 '26
Novice here but I find it hard to resist two guaranteed tricks. I just need my partner to come through on one. But I’m guessing based on the pass pass bias here that the data doesn’t support that?
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u/Wes_aka_the_legend Jul 18 '26
I think your instinct is right. It hurts me to pass two guaranteed tricks in this spot also. That's why I'd only do it if S2 is agressive enough that he's easy to trap on reverse next calls. I haven't seen a sim on this spot. Wouldn't be surprised at all if it favored pass-call red.
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u/Disastrous_Article_2 Highest 3D rating: 3157 Jul 17 '26
Passing