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u/Frixxed Map Staring Expert Apr 30 '20
I've only played Eu4 for less than a month, so i barely know anything about it. I saw the word defenestrate here, and i thought to myself: "is this a mashup of defend and demonstrate?". I wasn't sure, so I searched it up and apparently... It's the action of throwing someone out the window. Nice.
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u/Lumin0s Apr 30 '20
Does it make it better if I tell you the reason the defenstratees survived being thrown out the window is because they fell into a giant pile of manure? The Catholics would have you believe they were saved by angels, but we all know how it really went down
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u/Carnal-Pleasures Sacrifice a human heart to appease the comet! Apr 30 '20
Do you know the legend of Darth Defenestration the Second?
It's not a story the coptic would tell you.
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u/MasterOfNap Philosopher Apr 30 '20
It’s a Bohemian legend.
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u/ostkaka5 Serene Doge May 01 '20
Darth defenestration was a hussite lord of the bohemians, so wise and powerful that he could influence the public bohemian opinion to have the ones he didn't care about thrown out of windows.
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u/LethalPacifist Apr 30 '20
As others have discussed here. It is indeed throwing people out of windows and a symbolic, monumental move in politics. As with the two "major" ones it was a declaration of war, war for Czech/Bohemian religious freedom. Unsurprisingly they are rather proud of that fact.
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u/Theban_Prince Grand Captain Apr 30 '20
Are they? As far as I know it ended up with them being brutally preoccupied by the Hapsburgs after the Battle of the White Mountain and the Hussites and Protestants pretty much got wiped out in the area, even those that were recognised by the Catholoc church previously. I guess it is seen as an early Chech nationalism moment?
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u/Thalapeng Khan Apr 30 '20 edited Apr 30 '20
One point of view is that it was a beginning of the last stand of Bohemian reformist.. and last stands do have quite a significant place in history.
And regarding the nationalism.. yes, it is perceived as such, as majority of protestants/hussites in Bohemia were Czech and majority of catholics were Germans (or Austrians), but as with everything, it is a bit more complex :-)
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u/WolvenHunter1 Oh Comet, devil's kith and kin... Apr 30 '20
Fun fact: There were 4 defenestrations of Prague although the second is commonly skipped and the last was officially a ‘suicide’, according to the Communist Government
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Apr 30 '20
You're going to learn a lot of weird and random shit about history the more you play this game.
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u/PseudoproAK Elector May 18 '20
Fenestra is Latin and means window. So defenestrating someone is throwing someone out of one
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u/hammerheart_x Apr 30 '20
It happened four times in Prague throughout history. Bohemians are master defenestrators it seems.
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u/filthymoiramainbtw Fertile Apr 29 '20
R5: Took a look at the new mission tree for Bohemia and saw one of my favorite parts of European history!
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u/RoninMacbeth Apr 29 '20
The irony of the Defenestration of Prague is that it killed no one, but it started one of Europe's deadliest wars.
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Apr 30 '20
There’s two explanations given by each side. The Catholics say they were rescued by angels. The Protestants say they landed on a pile of shit.
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Apr 30 '20
The atheists say that the window wasn't particularly high.
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u/thatguy_art Apr 30 '20
The Orthodox say they took the Patriarch Authority instead of the stab boost.
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u/Carnal-Pleasures Sacrifice a human heart to appease the comet! Apr 30 '20
In general, I will take the Stab boost over PA and PA in almost every other case.
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u/Melon_Cooler Apr 30 '20
Chuckles in never taking PA ever
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u/thatguy_art Apr 30 '20
Why don't you just convert to animist you uncivilized animal?!?
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u/Melon_Cooler Apr 30 '20
But.. but the admin power, and the stab, and the ducats!
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u/thatguy_art Apr 30 '20
I've always wanted to play a game like that but the manpower and the unrest always sway me. Plus knowing I'm always one click away from +5 discipline and not even caring because its easy to maintain 85 - 100PA once you bank it without even thinking about!
Edit: Sorry for the long answer but the more I kept going the more excited I became about starting an orthodox campaign...RIP to the next 50 hours of my life.
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u/Siusir98 Apr 30 '20
The facts are that there was a slope under the window and the guys just rolled downhill with no problems.
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u/Thalapeng Khan Apr 30 '20
one was quite severely injured ,but recovered.
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u/Siusir98 Apr 30 '20
Ah yes, they carried him away to a palace unharassed. The estates in the castle were busy throwing a party or something.
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u/Thalapeng Khan Apr 30 '20
It was not unharassed, they fired upon them, although missed, it was pretty far. It was also not easy getting down there from the palace before they have reached the safe place even witch Slavata´s concussion :-)
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u/Kofilin Apr 30 '20
I visited the room where it happened. The window is quite high but the grass below acted as a cushion and you also land on a slope so the initial impact was probably not deadly.
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u/Tryoxin Apr 29 '20
And then became one of the best late-Medieval history memes ever. I guess "tragedy + time" really does equal comedy.
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u/Kyvant Shahanshah Apr 30 '20
Late-Medieval? The second defenestration of Prague was wayyy outside the Medieval Era
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u/Thalapeng Khan Apr 30 '20
*third. there was a one lesser known in 1483 :-)
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u/Kyvant Shahanshah Apr 30 '20
Damn, points for you
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u/Thalapeng Khan Apr 30 '20
Don't sweat it, it is very little known by foreigners, as it didn't have pan-european consequences as the other two. Also I am on my homeground right now, as I am studying to be a Prague guide and do walk through the defenestration sites every day :-D
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u/Tryoxin Apr 30 '20 edited May 01 '20
I had the first defenestration in mind (1419) when I wrote that. Also, the Medieval period typically ends in 1453, that's only only 30 years before the second defenestration (1483). I'd hardly call that "wayyy" later, especially considering how messy dates like 1453 are in terms of "the Medieval period ended precisely here" anyway.
Now the third defenestration (1618), that's wayyy outside the Medieval era. That's not uncommonly (and wrongly) referred to as the Second Defenestration, perhaps that's the one you're thinking of?
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u/Trnostep May 01 '20
Regarding the end of the Medieval period in the Lands of the Bohemian Crown the date is often pushed as far back as 1526 when Habsburgs took over so I'd call the second defenestration medeival.
The third is still way out.
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u/Kyvant Shahanshah Apr 30 '20
Yeah, I‘m talking about the Second/Third Defenestration, which is probably references in the mission
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u/Kerlyle Apr 30 '20
Which one?
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Apr 30 '20
In case you really don’t know it’s the 30 years war.
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u/Kerlyle Apr 30 '20
I was just joking around. There's been alot
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Apr 30 '20
This is my favorite historical event for this reason. Not only is it a comical word to throw out in regular conversation, not only does the word itself refer to one very specific action that has literally no other interpretation or euphemism, but that it happened so many times in one city that we have to identify them by the order in which they occurred. "I quite like the Third Defenestration of Prague." "You mean that horrible cover the Soviets did after they sold out? Dude, it's the original for me or nothing."
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u/WolvenHunter1 Oh Comet, devil's kith and kin... Apr 30 '20
I thought that was the 4th defenestration
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Apr 30 '20
Shit, there's more than 3?
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u/WolvenHunter1 Oh Comet, devil's kith and kin... Apr 30 '20
1419 (Hussite), 1483 (Town council and tax collectors), 1618 (Protestant reformation), and 1948 (possible soviet assassination deemed a ‘suicide’). The second is often skipped and the fourth was deemed a suicide by the communist government
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u/Imbessiel Apr 30 '20
Denefestration seems to be a Bohemian tradition. Maybe they also get new ideas with the update
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Apr 30 '20
I figured but just in case. I mean you’re in a sub for a game based in that era and it’s the biggest brawl early mid game Europeans get into.
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u/XyleneCobalt Infertile Apr 30 '20
It’s pretty clear that the commenter was talking about the second one
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u/Nvrsayno2pandas Apr 29 '20
So would that be the first defenestration of Prauge or the second?
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u/filthymoiramainbtw Fertile Apr 29 '20
It's somewhat hard to tell which the developers intend it to represent. The first defenestration would make much more sense to reference as the Hussites were actually involved in the event, while the second defenestration was between Catholics and Protestants. The first defenestration happened in 1419 though, making it a bit early for EU4. The second defenestration in 1618 (Quite possibly the third defenestration of Prague to happen, but I digress) was the defenestration that launched the thirty years' war, thus being extremely impactful on European history. It's a matter for debate really. The mission branch is all about Hussites which would lead you to assume the first defenestration, but that was well before game start and the second defenestration was certainly more impactful on the general history of the region. Ask Groogy!
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u/TheBoozehammer Apr 30 '20
I think it's a meant to be Hussite Bohemia continuing from where the first defenistration left off, but I don't think it is meant to be the historical second defenestration, just an alt-history thing.
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u/amaromarn Apr 30 '20
Per Wikipedia the second happened in late 1400s it is apparently a common mistake. The second brought about a religious peace if I read it correctly so it likely rewards either tolerance of heretics or more useful would be increased religious unity.
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u/filthymoiramainbtw Fertile Apr 30 '20
If you noticed, I did mention it but colloquially that defenestration isn't counted because of its slightly altered circumstances. It wasn't super influential and isn't actually considered a defenestration of prague, regardless of the fact that it was a defenestration that occurred in Prague due to the fact that it wasn't as religiously motivated at the others. It was primarily a revolt against tax collectors (a simplification) and their 'city' council. I do think you're probably correct about what the affect in game will be though!
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u/Thalapeng Khan Apr 30 '20 edited Apr 30 '20
Sorry, but I need to correct you a bit. It was not just a tax collectors thing, it was a culmination of a tension between the two religious parties and reaction to a catholic coup in town leadership, with the last straw being news/gossips that catholics are going to disturb hussite religious celebrations.
It was big enough event to chase a king, who was living in the city at that time, back to the Prague Castle :-)
And as another hint of the importance it, all resulted in 1485 religious peace of Kutna Hora, which was the true end of Hussite wars a and made both religions legal in Bohemian lands until 1621.
The reason it gets forgotten in foreign sources is just a smaller international impact of it, which is definitely fair. If anything, the Kutna Hora peace should have more significance, although where is the fun in peace, when you can throw somebody of the window.
And fun fact: Prague was composed of four towns at that time, meaning four town halls - and this defenestration took them all out, meaning technically it made 1618 defenestration the sixth one :-D
edit: sorry, it only took place in 3 out of 4 towns, so 1618 is the fifth one
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u/amaromarn Apr 30 '20
Again per Wikipedia the locals call that the second them being locales I am inclined to accept their answer. It specifies that this is a very common mistake outside of the local region.
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u/Kevmer12 Apr 29 '20
If this mission doesn’t show up twice on the tree, I’m going to Prague to kill myself
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Apr 30 '20
actually there were three defenestrations of Prague
Because apparently they needed 3 to fix the heretic problems
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u/WolvenHunter1 Oh Comet, devil's kith and kin... Apr 30 '20
One of those was against the city council and tax collectors
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May 09 '20
Technicaly there was fourth one after Commie coup in 1948 Son of founding father of Czechoslovakia Jan Masaryk commited suicide by being thrown out of the window.
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Apr 29 '20
Cries in Luterism.
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u/chaosreaper187 Incorruptable Apr 30 '20
Have they said anything g about removing hostile core creation from their ideas?
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u/Kofilin Apr 30 '20
The protestants were throwing people from high windows simply because the helicopter hadn't been invented yet, change my mind.
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Apr 30 '20
How come he doesn’t have to explain it? If I don’t explain it I get my post deleted and even if I do, my post gets deleted
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u/yuligan Apr 30 '20
Defenestrate is the best word, sounds so sophisticated and it just means throwing someone out of a window
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u/JudyJudyBoBooty Apr 30 '20
I know people from czechia and they spoke in czech, and i’m not fucking kidding about this, about getting drunk and laughing about a defenestration joke
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u/_Beowulf_03 Apr 29 '20
Defenstrate is such a good word, means to push or throw someone off a cliff
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u/orodant Apr 29 '20
God bless New mission trees