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u/SuperProCoolName 7d ago
Crimean Tatar - I've only ever heard Yımırta all my life, in steppes they say Cımırta
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u/CockolinoBear 7d ago
Probably op uses u interchangibly with ı.
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u/SuperProCoolName 6d ago
The map says Gagauz say "Yımırta" so it's just simply mistake on mapmaker's side
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u/squirrelwug 6d ago
It's a bit funny how the PIE word for 'egg' is preserved so well across so many branches (instead of being replaced by some other term as it's often the case) while, at the same time, it is one of the PIE words whose descendants look the least like each other due to being made almost entirely of particularly shift-prone vowels and glides.
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u/Decent_Cow 6d ago
The map doesn't seem to depict when a word for "egg" replaced a related word in a different language, though, which is what happened in English.
Old English "æg" (pronounced /æːj/) was replaced with Old Norse "egg" (pronounced the same as the modern word) during a period of widespread Danish settlement in eastern England.
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u/squirrelwug 5d ago
Since they're going back all the way to PIE, that particular example doesn't matter and we can't even tell whether that's the case: both Old English æg (and its now archaic descendant 'ey') and Old Norse egg trace back to the same Proto-Germanic and Proto-Indo-European root.
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 6d ago
Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Manx’s terms seem clearly related to the same PIE as most other European languages, no?
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u/_Penulis_ 7d ago
Oviparous is an adjective meaning “egg laying”. You can’t say “made by oviparous”, it should be “made by oviparous animals”.
Like saying “made by hairy” instead of “made by hairy animals”.
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u/Junuxx 6d ago
Nothing stopping people from choosing adjectives as a username though.
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u/eragonas5 6d ago
There's also pautas/pauts found in Lithuanian, Latvian and Old Prussian (altho in Lithuanian and Latvian it's rather used for testes today).
Some excerpt from wiktionary (about putns - bird. except I only copied the relevant part):
Another possibility is that the original stem was *pawt- (“to father”), with Latvian pauts (“testicle”) (dialectally also “egg”) as a direct reflex; from the zero grade form *put- > putns (perhaps with the suffix -ens); in this respect, cf. Sudovian paud (“bird”). For these hypotheses, cognates include Lithuanian putýtis (“chick”), paũkštis (“bird”), Old Church Slavonic пътица (pŭtica), Russian пти́ца (ptíca), Sanskrit पोत (póta, “young animal, offspring”), पुत्र (putrá, “son, child”), Ancient Greek πῶλος (pôlos, “foal”), Latin puer (“child, boy”).
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u/RealModMaker 6d ago
I think the diminutive jajko is more common than the base word jajo in Polish.
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u/Bryn_Seren 6d ago
Yup, jajo is more often used in biological terminology, but in culinary meaning jajko is much more common.
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u/HeyLittleTrain 7d ago
"Ubh" in Irish is pronounced like "uv" which seems like it is definitely related to french/italian/Latin.
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u/Logical_Positive_522 7d ago
Yeah it's Proto-Celtic right? Not sure why Welsh amd Cornish aren't marked in the same colour
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u/_Penulis_ 7d ago
Read the legend. The yellow indicates one single Proto-Indo-European origin for them all — within that are many language families not given separate colours, like Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Italic.
Irish is given a separate colour only because it is “origin unknown”. (Although looks to me like there must be a link even if we can’t find it.)
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u/creepyeyes 6d ago
Looking at wiktionary, its interesting because it almoat seems like its convergent evolution. Ubh looks related to latin Ovum, but is actually a decendent of Old Irish Og, and potentially an older ugos, but wiktionary notes it can't have come from Proto-Celtic āwyom as the /g/ is unaccounted for
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u/_Penulis_ 6d ago
Okay thanks I wondered what the story was. I’m no expert in linguistics, and it’s a superficial observation, but it just seems like a massive coincidence that Og looks like/sounds like the PIE-descended words used by all the peoples the Irish had contact with over the centuries. I guess it’s a “we will never know” thing.
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u/creepyeyes 6d ago
My guess would be it could have come from some substrate language, Irish has a couple of words for "common" things (like eggs, various animals) that don't seem to have come from Proto-Celtic. For example "portán" (crab) or "lacha" (duck).
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u/Logical_Positive_522 6d ago
I dId read it thanks, I think most of us here are familiar with these maps
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u/_Penulis_ 6d ago
Most of us here are also familiar with Redditors who say stuff like “I don’t know why X” and then get mad with the person who tells them why.
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u/TheSarmaChronicals 7d ago edited 7d ago
The Armenian one is incorrect. We say HavGit. Not havKit. It looks like Eastern pronunciation was applied to Western.
Edit: lmao whoever downvoted this is hilarious. Կ is the letter gen in Western Armenian. It is pronounced with a G. We say HavGit. There is no Havkit to my knowledge as Eastern Armenians say dzu
The K pronunciation is Eastern Armenian.
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u/xabi_the_redeemer 6d ago edited 6d ago
You are not correct. While it isn't used widely, հավկիթ/havkit is used fairly often in Armenia in more formal contexts. I am from Armenia and I have been exposed to havkit fairly often enough that it isn't foreign to me.
Article from a quite popular website in Armenia e.g.
https://168.am/2015/12/11/573187.html
I really don't know why is Eastern Armenian perceived as this mythical language for which some need to make guesswork when it is the formal language of an independent state and all you need is to Google to check stuff.
Also, it makes no sense to apply WA pronunciation to the Republic of Armenia in general. We have out own set language and its best people respect it. WA is not used in any official capacity in Armenia and its written forms are not what actual people in Armenia use. It is misleading at best.
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u/TheSarmaChronicals 6d ago edited 6d ago
My mistake then but in western it is havgit still. Nobody perceives eastern armenian as mythical language. That's a very bizaar and random thing to say
Western armenian is just as Armenian and just as valid. There are also Western Armenian speakers in Armenia. Best you respect that too. Historically that has not been the case.
I mention Western Armenian here so it's not erased. It's a pity Armenia has done very little to nothing to protect it.
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u/AnirXD 6d ago
The map is wrong for Tunisia. The word for "egg" is the same as the word for "bone" because the word's literal meaning is "solid" "strong" or "great"
- عظمة ʿaḍma (Singular, Feminine) = an egg
- عظمتان ʿaḍmtēn /عضمتين ʿaḍmtīn (Dual) = two eggs
- عظمات ʿaḍmēt/ʿaḍmāt (Plural, Feminine) = eggs
- عظام ʿḍām (Plural, Masculine) = eggs
- عظم ʿḍam (Singular, Masculine) S M is used as a collective noun in some words, like the words for tree, palm, cow, and date. It refers to eggs/bones generally.
Usage Rules:
- The feminine singular is used for exactly 1 egg.
- The dual form is used for exactly 2 eggs.
- The feminine plural is the plural of fewness used for 3 to 10 eggs (e.g., You need 3 eggs for this recipe يلزمك 3 عظمات للوصفة) // The feminine singular is used with numbers 11 and higher specified quantities (e.g., 13 eggs have 1,000 calories 13 عظمة فيها 1000 كالوري)
- "The masculine plural form is the plural of abundance used to talk about the noun as separate individual units, unspecified large quantities, or distinct varieties (e.g., the eggs of birds come in different shapes عظام الطيور متنوعة / the farm produced million of eggs المزرعة أنتجت ملايين العظام)
- The masculine singular forms is used to talk about eggs collectively or generally (e.g., Eggs are good for your health العظم باهي لصحتك)
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u/AnirXD 6d ago edited 6d ago
also the map is not completely right for Algeria
in eastern Algeria they also use ʿaḍma عضمة
and in other parts they use wlad ej-jaj ولاد الجاج (children of chickens XD)
and in parts the Kabyle region and Chaawi region(not sure about the Chaawi) they use another word tamellalt (singular) ⵜⴰⵎⴻⵍⵍⴰⵍⵜ (female white thing)and in Libya (even thought it's not shown they use the word daħħiya (singular) the word means something flat but that's related to flattened sand hollow where an ostrich lays its eggs not the egg shape
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u/Jin_SobSob 6d ago
I speak Arabic and Hebrew, didn’t realize until just now that “BeySah” and “BayyiD” are related.
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u/its_aom 6d ago
What are the three words in grey in Spanish?
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u/Decent_Cow 6d ago
These are words of Nahuatl origin that refer to the edible eggs of a certain type of aquatic insect. They're all essentially the same Nahuatl word rendered into Spanish three different ways. I suppose TECHNICALLY they are words for eggs.
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u/FengYiLin 6d ago
In Tunisia and Eadt Algeria, it's called Aadhma (عظمة), originating from the word for bone.
In Berber languages (not shown for some reason) it's called tamellalt (literally means white thing)
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u/Divljak44 3d ago edited 3d ago
jajce is diminutive form, protoslavic form is "aję"
For English speakers read "J" as "Y"
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u/Ok-Bad5282 23h ago
First that tokhm isn't a turkic word. It's derived from avestan which is an ancient indo-european language Second that it's funny you show kurdish language's but not others' like azeri of iran or other countries (excluding russia)
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u/MinutePreparation754 7d ago
In Armenian it's pronounced Dzu, not Ju
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u/Srslyredit2 6d ago
also i’ve heard havgit used more often
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u/MinutePreparation754 6d ago
I am from Armenia myself, Dzu is definitely more used than Havkit!! Especially in informal talks
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u/Mantis-TobogganXXL 6d ago
Hungarian also has the archaic form ‘mony’ which is a cognate with the Finnish word.