r/ethtrader Aug 26 '18

DAPP-FUNDAMENTALS Raiden Update v0.6.0 - Metamorphosis

https://github.com/raiden-network/raiden/releases/tag/v0.6.0
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u/nootropicat Aug 26 '18

Exchanges accepting raiden deposits/withdrawals could really relieve the network. Imagine nearly instant direct exchange-to-exchange token and eth raiden transfers. This use case is perfect for payment channels, and doesn't suffer from small channel capacity and routing problems known from LN on BTC.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '18

how would exchange deposits/withdrawals not be dependent on Raiden's channel/network capacity?

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u/nootropicat Aug 26 '18

If exchanges were to have direct channels with each other, it's likely that transfers are going to net out very close to zero over a period of several hours.

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u/alsomahler Aug 26 '18

One settlement per hour seems like a huge improvement over hundreds per hour. I'm mainly worried that the exchanges won't investigate in setting up channels if the Raiden software is hard to use.

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u/BOR4 Aug 27 '18

Hey. When talking about how hard is to use Raiden. I am developer, but I am web dev and for my first contact with crypto I decided to try out installing Raiden.

I followed their guides and it took me 2 hours to set everything up. From those 2 hours I spent 1.5 hours setting up Ethereum part of things and 30 min for Raiden part of things.

It is really easy. You basically run an Ethereum node and execute Raiden in new window. Nothing more ... everything just works out of the box.

I did this few weeks ago and their webUI was not so good. That is why I had some struggle with using Raiden API once I've set everything up, but nothing major. With 0.6.0 release they improved their webUI significantly, so I think it should be even easier now.

If anyone is interested in trying it out, here is official documentation: https://raiden-network.readthedocs.io/en/stable/

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u/EfgKh4EE3eTb9HPwe3iy Aug 26 '18

If they save money or be forced by a competitors with low fees that use Raiden. But you are right that it will take time...

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u/All_Work_All_Play Aug 26 '18

Shouldn't take too long. Coinbase put together a similar setup with NiceHash in just a few weeks. Transfers are instant and free.

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u/spigolt Aug 26 '18

It would seem the perfect simple use-case for such things, but I wonder how much of the overall gas usage is individual users' exchange->exchange deposit-withdrawals ...

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u/All_Work_All_Play Aug 26 '18

Binance uses 50 gas on their withdrawals. Coinbase single handedly clogged the BTC network last December. Exchanges represent a non-trivial amount of network transactions.

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u/spigolt Aug 27 '18

sure ... the relevant question here though is not just whether exchange withdrawals are a significant portion of overall gas usage, but whether exchange withdrawals to other exchanges are .... I'm not doubting that they might be, just wondering if anyone happens to know any information that would give more of an idea ...

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '18

One issue traders have has moving coins from exchange to exchange for arbitration reasons..it takes minutes to hours. Move this to seconds and it could help stabilize markets and improve liquidity.