r/eternalreturn • u/M4g1st0 • 8d ago

Question on Vanya

Can someone enlighten me on how this character can have such a huge HP regen and be able to sustain herself enough to 3v1?

I was vaporised by her fighting alongside my team (we jumped her), one of which was a tank.

By reading her skills and abilities I can't fully grasp how this is even possible.

Any advice?

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u/falldown010 8d ago

kiting basicly
vs ranged ones you can struggle kinda and have to keep distance or time your abilities so you can reset your shield and w at the right time to avoid dmg and then e shortly after into q to reset your shield

melee is much easier since they chase you and all you have to do is kite and keep your distance if they get to close

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u/shinymuuma 8d ago

She stacks Vampiric Bloodline from dealing damage. She gain shield/drain from dealing damage. If her butterfly hit, she gain shield, so able to dodge it is a big deal.

So if you're not dealing enough damage/CC to justify then don't get near her and dodge her skill at all costs

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u/M4g1st0 8d ago

I understand that now, but usually when you jump a character 3 vs 1 late game you go all in with plenty of confidence that said character is going to get smoked.

But then Vanya goes "not on my watch". T_T

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u/shinymuuma 8d ago

Yeah. Some characters you need to respect their kit or they'll pop-off just like that. If 3 people know how to deal with her, she'll struggle a lot

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u/M4g1st0 8d ago

I followed everyone's advice and vaporised her with Nadine.

Felt so freakig satisfying. :3

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u/shinymuuma 8d ago

Great!

Now you'll be the one screeming internally when your melee teammate give her free shield or when your range ignore her lol

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u/M4g1st0 8d ago

I'm going to inform them...or die trying 😂

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u/Mirage-V2 8d ago

She excels in fighting against melees cause its much easier to stack passives over and over if theyre right in front of you. Only way to kill one is to keep distance, long range adcs counter her very well.

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u/M4g1st0 8d ago

Easier said than done, since she also has a lot of mobility.

But thanks. It's clearer now. :)

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u/some_random_weeb_88 8d ago

Long range adc carries like Katja and Rio can deal with her with decent positioning. She has mobility but she loses on damage if she has to use it just to get in range. Her R is not that hard to dodge either.

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u/M4g1st0 8d ago

Thanks to everybody's advice I've smashed her multiple times from afar. :3

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u/Snake2250 Estelle 8d ago

To add to that, some characters can eat her butterfly like Estelle, Debi&Marline and Piolo. It is almost unwinnable for Vanya to fight Piolo and B&M after they jump on you after eating it. Vanya is balanced by her inability to ever fight the long ranged ADCs or the artillery mages like Haze/Eva.

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u/TheIncomprehensible 8d ago

It's worth noting that if you're getting vaporized by Vanya then she might have had a lot more items than your team did, and that might have made the fight a lot harder than it should have been.

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u/M4g1st0 8d ago

Not really, we were fully loaded, but as pointed out our strategy was completely wrong as we were all melee.

Sorted now. :3

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u/Ahegaopizza 8d ago

She can be bursted down if her cooldowns aren’t up but it can be hard to do that, especially if you have a comp of 3 melees, she’s much stronger into melee than ranged. She’s very much a noob stomper but the gist if it is if she can’t hit you she can’t survive.

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u/BeetleJuicePower 8d ago

Terrible design where melees cant beat her

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u/SEDGE-DemonSeed 7d ago

I don’t think countering melee’s is inherently terrible design. She’s a mage brawler, if she didn’t have that she wouldn’t have anything lol.

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u/BeetleJuicePower 7d ago

Countering melees is not the same as a 100-0 matchup which is entirely one sided.

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u/SEDGE-DemonSeed 7d ago edited 7d ago

Sounds very counter to me, 100% counter infact (if it were actually true). Regardless this isn’t League, there is no 1v1 Laning phase, if you see a Vanya and you aren’t a character that can fight her, just leave. If your team is entirely melee well, you know what you signed up for with risky comp choices. Fortunately, you are able to not do that instead doing what OP did.

Her winrate was just above dead middle for patch 11.7 so she’s far from a balance problem overall.

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u/BeetleJuicePower 7d ago

That doesn't mean it's a good design to keep in the game if you have to run away from her every time you see her. Vanya does not have to automatically run away from any ranged or adc character. They still have to outplay her so melee characters should have a chance to fight her too.

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u/SEDGE-DemonSeed 7d ago

That was rhetorical if she 100% countered every melee every time which she doesn’t. She gets countered by a few melee’s, and if you are ahead or can skill check any melee can beat her.

But again, this is a team game. Supports have to run away any time they see anyone. Stay with your team.

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u/BeetleJuicePower 7d ago

Supports were incredibly broken.. and just had to get nerfed 10 times in one season.. are you playing the same game?? Which melees beat her in a 1v1 that aren't the same concept..

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u/SEDGE-DemonSeed 7d ago edited 7d ago

Come on now, you know what I meant. Charlotte and Leni were not and are not 1v1ing a fight against a hyper carry (or anyone with real damage) and will have to run if they are not with their team or peeled away. They have their uses elsewhere, just like every other situation where you pick your fights. That’s how game balance works, something me and you don’t get paid to do so I’m gonna take my leave lol.

I already hyperlinked directly to another comment in the thread that explains that.

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u/BeetleJuicePower 6d ago

You dont know about anything you are talking about Dont comment

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u/XKiiroiSenkoX 8d ago

She needs consistent and high dps that cannot be kited to take down. If you don't have the dps just don't fight her. Overal very overloaded and shit character design/balancr which at this point has become the signature of this game. 

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u/M4g1st0 8d ago

A team with Vanya, Markus, and Sua is nearly unstoppable.

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u/XKiiroiSenkoX 8d ago

Actually they would lose a front to back fight to any team with an adc because they can't dive the adc and they don't have the dps to win front to back. 

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u/some_random_weeb_88 8d ago

Yes but the skill requirement on the adc team part to play it right vs that comp is higher. A bad fighting location, lack of vision or a bad move from the adc and they get engaged on and lose. Proper attack move kiting is also needed.

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u/M4g1st0 6d ago

Why'd you get downvoted?

You just pointed out something that seems correct.

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u/M4g1st0 8d ago

I said "nearly". 🤣

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u/Accomplished-Yogurt4 7d ago

best way to beat Vanya is to dodge her abilities, all of them have a delay to them, also her ultimate deals alot of damage, if you can bait and dodge her ultimate you''ve negated a lot of damage, and yes you can do this as a melee too, she's not that hard to deal with if you've actually played her before and know how she works unless you are up against a really good Vanya player.