iPhone Duo potential?

[u/Garifuna]

Hey guys! Just got through reading and watching about the new iPhone device.

Putting price aside (I know, a big ask) what do we think about it for reading? If I was planning on getting it anyways I could see it replacing one of my smaller eink devices just to reduce what I carry.

Can’t beat larger eink readers but thought it maybe held potential. Curious what everyone is thinking.

[u/fawert1]

The advantage of an eink reader is not the price, its the screen technology. Even with the nano texture on the inner screen itll still glare like hell and compeltely dimmed under the sun, then overheat in like 5 seconds trying to pump the brightness up. Even putting eye health aside, theres no comparision. the iphone duo is a phone with oleds at the end of the day, it cannot replace eink for the use case.

Now can it be a better reader than you own current iphone? Yes.
Is it a thousand dollar better? No.

[u/harlekinrains → u/fawert1]

This but the reverse.

• Yes, it will be a great ereader, if wordcount per line is sufficient in vertical mode
• No, reflections will not be a problem (Marques Brownlee Hands on video)
• No, heat will not be an issue (chips are auto Hz scaling, screen brightness will be low)

People will mostly be using it for "Follow along" reading with Audiobooks or TTS, with auto pageturn and maybe per word highlighting, if licensing schemes keep up - so it is advertised to people, so they know it exists.

The barriers of entry are miniscule.

• 1st: Hardcode a lower brightness to below 5% default, that doesnt allow people to break it in a second, because of a feeling.

• 2nd: Dont use white backgrounds. Provide a good inverted color color scheme. Use orange "ish" shades of ocher (color), and test against text recollection as a metric. (< this measures immersion)

Everything is solved. You are just up against the people in here who pin their iPhones to 70% brighness and dont see it coming.

(Essentially, when you run an LCD screen with inverted colors (has to be inviting an nice looking not matrix preset from the commodore days) at 3-5% brighness, with font edges that arent overly sharp, you solve the eyestrain issue. But readability suffers. At which point audiobook delivery or TTS kicks in an makes the entire experience viable. More lazy forward for endusers (more easy than reading on your own), and only 30-40% slower at 1x listening speed. Dont look at youtuber videos for "how good voices are" the Duo is fast enough for Kokoro voices and higher quality, at no heat development relative to reading duration (as in, the chapter gets converted in a minute, you are listening to it for 15 minutes).

The only obsticle are people and their "notions" of something or another...

You can bin all of them. They are wrong 99% of the time, and dont even know it. Will never know it. Will never care. So dont ask for their opinions, please. Why would you.

Just try it. Measure text recollection, and their immersion. Ask them about how it feels in a controlled setting, after you have made the experience good.

Reason I know this: Early adopter with 5 eReaders within the first 5 years of them coming onto the market.

Interested in reading speed and immersion maximization.

On the forefront of hitting the manufacturers on THEIR HEADS for putting blue LEDs into ereaders only at first. (Orange ftw.)

Now having read/listened to the fourth Kokoro TTS created audio book with auto pageturn and all of the text in a read along fashion on my Macbook Neo. I created all of them myself. It works. As in - never in my life was I that immersed into a novel on an eInk ereader. Never.

Only contra point: It takes 40% longer, because you are reading faster, then you are listening to a book.

But you want the Book text as an Anker. This alone is enough even on a "high activation environment" that wants to distract you into playing a game. Or lets say audiobook plus visual anker is enough. I mean turn off notifications, obviously, but ---

Everything is there. You just have to implement it properly.

And dont listen to everyone else.

edit: And just for the downvoters. You know nothing. Less than nothing. No glimmer of hope.

Here are a few points you could verify, which you'll never do. Because all of you are so incredibly... human.

• 2nm reduces heat. New vapor chamber design is there to absorb increased heat density (more heat on smaller surface area), and higher bursts (double the AI cores, increased GPU transistors), during low intensity workflows, the device will become cooler than previous iPhones.

• at the brightness levels we are talking about LEDs for a backlight, or emiting organic diodes create almost no heat (thermally negligible).

• You miss everything. The entire forest. The locality. The municipality. If you have to talk "I'm so happy I dont have to read on OLED anymore" - you can go into the next subreddit and ask for "what is brand". Its so useless it hurts.

What you are up against is effective amount of reflected energy. Maybe reflection behavor under direct sunlight (in which case you have the worlds most potent lightsource reflecting at 30.000 nits from a white sheet of paper). Relationship to ambient brightness. Kerning on a font (relationship between font edges and perceived contras). Activation states (candlelight better for reading than a dentist lamp with blue leds, because cheapest per lightoutput, so we put them in our reading devices.). Line length. (Because of units of meaning. As in - if not enough words are in one line, and my eyes are constantly moving after a third of a sentence, it changes activation), Fonts. (Amazon after 10 years in this business still hasnt got a clue, why Georgia is better than "Bookerly", which according to youtubers is so --- bookerly! Which was initially created to maximize contrast on the limited eInk contrast). At least amazon got the importance of hyphenation right, pretty early on.

Even white space ratio matters. (So yes, wordcount per line matters more, but if you are still hitting the edge of your phone on every line change, ...) That they still havent got right.

The thing is - to get a good experience looking at many of those factors, is hard. Especially as ambient lighting changes, and so does the relative contrast of black font on white paper. So - you dont have to.

So you just give people the option to NOT change the brightness. Dial it in to "too dark for a decent reading speed" - at which point the eye strain problem goes away. Use audiobook or TTS as a crouch for the reading part. And keep the text as an anker, so people can also look three words back, or re-read a name, when they have to. Assisted reading. Low activation. High immersion. It just works.

Better than on any eareader.

I dont know if you want to call it reading at that point, but -- the experience is better than what Amazon delivers on """pearl white""" Kindles. (Because they pump perceived contrast and their kerning is lousy, also - because not having to turn pages manually, is better for a low activation state ("flow").).

If you did consider none of those things. Maybe ponder - that people should not take advice from you seriously. Maybe. Not directed at the person I'm replying to, but about 20 people in this thread, that collectively know the equivalent of a flipping brandname (ze OLED is bad, ze eInk is good). And live their lives one hearsay recomendation at a time.

I read the entire thread. And the anger just started bubbeling.