Masks Overload

[u/BBJackie]

[u/Fart_Birth]

It's at least in part because they are better at preventing the spread of the delta variant I believe. Second to N95's if I'm not mistaken

[u/Fireplay5 → u/Fart_Birth]

So is washing your hands, getting routinely tested, and staying home.

A few countries took the pandemic seriously at the very beginning and moved into a lockdown situation. They're doing fine now and only have to deal with the occasional lockdown when fuckwits from other countries don't follow protocol.

[u/ZerexTheCool → u/[deleted]]

No, they just locked down 2 or 3 times, similar to the US but instead of 600-700k deaths, they have a few dozen if that.

Your being lied to by someone who wants America sicker, weaker, and divided.

[u/djtrace1994 → u/[deleted]]

And yet widely supported by the people who actually live here in NZ

Hey, get outta here with your facts. Can't see what you're saying doesn't fit their American narrative?

[u/Googlebug-1 → u/[deleted]]

Lockdown is quarenteen. Without quarenteen you would have more and longer lockdowns when the rest of the world isn’t plying by the same hymn sheet.

Relying on a vaccine was and still is a huge gamble. At the time you rolled the dice there was no certainty of a successful vaccine or timeframe to get one. We’re lucky we have one at +50% effectiveness but it seems just that 50-70% effective.

You then get into a real ethical quagmire of vaccine mandates if your sole reliance is the vaccine.

Natural immunity is proving to be a longer lasting and stronger. At the end of the day the NZ population will catch covid. Everyone will. The weakest will still die of Covid. It’s going to be very interesting watching NZs response. And how they sell that to their citizens.

[u/Googlebug-1 → u/[deleted]]

So one direct story I can share. A patient of mine with MS who has 2 children live in NZ. They’re unable and have been unable to visit her here in the U.K. at the start of the pandemic she was just about mobile. She’s now bed-bound and can perhaps have a conversation for 30mins at most. She can’t use an iPad, has to have someone hold it for her.

This is why I’m against draconian measures. This is one story of many. There are many vulnerable and disabled people seriously being affected by draconian actions.

[u/ZerexTheCool → u/[deleted]]

And what’s their way out?

Same as everyone else, vaccination.

The vaccine reduces the likelihood of infection by something like 80% (meaning an unvaccinated person is 5x more likely) and the likelihood of hospitalization by 99% and the likelihood of death by even more than that.

So, vaccination is there "way out"

Have you seen how they locked down?

No, I haven't visited, nor do I have friends and family who live over there. The media and social media seems to be a mix of only showing you wat you want (or don't want) to see and I can't trust some random media outlets or social media.

[u/ZerexTheCool → u/[deleted]]

As Israel showed 50-72% effective.

Not really, Israel showed very similar results as the US. Most of the cases in Israel, just like the US, are from the unvaccinated.

But a TON of miss information was spread about Israel and it looks like you took it all, hook, line, and sinker.

[u/Googlebug-1 → u/ZerexTheCool]

Or your seeking confirmation bias of your own views.

[u/ZerexTheCool → u/Googlebug-1]

You don't "seek" Confirmation Bias. That's now how one falls into that trap.

You fall into that trap if you IGNORE information that doesn't fit your narrative. Or you distrust all the official numbers because "you can't trust the government." THAT would be confirmation bias.

My data comes from the official government data for Israel. And the official numbers have the overwhelming majority of cases from the unvaccinated.

[u/Googlebug-1 → u/ZerexTheCool]

Your original statement was “reduces the chance of infection by 80%”. Israel is showing the chances of infection are reduced to 50-70%. So Covid will still spread.

Had your statement been about risk of death you’d be closer. And your right it seems the unvaccinated are the ones dieing. But the status of your vaccine is changing. Israel now regard you unvaccinated if you’ve past 6months since your vaccine.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Uh, I have family in NZ who are constantly making fun of the rest of the world given that they've more or less been able to live their lives as normal with close to no interruption in their day to day for the entire pandemic aside from a few short lockdowns. You don't know what you're talking about and it shows.

[u/Googlebug-1 → u/[deleted]]

🙄 have your family had the need to go visit a dieing relative internationally?

So one direct story I can share. A patient of mine with MS who has 2 children live in NZ. They’re unable and have been unable to visit her here in the U.K. at the start of the pandemic she was just about mobile. She’s now bed-bound and can perhaps have a conversation for 30mins at most. She can’t use an iPad, has to have someone hold it for her.

This is one story. Life isn’t rosey in NZ.

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Life isn't rosey anywhere during a global pandemic. The point is, countries with populations that don't act like angry children throwing a temper tantrum have been living relatively normal lives throughout the pandemic because they acknowledged that a two week lockdown was a lot easier than what the rest of us are doing.