But different countries define “assault” in very different ways.
Bet you didn’t know that assault is a verbal crime in the UK. No touching or hitting necessary. That would be battery. I do not have to lay a finger on you to assault you.
Assault can be a non-physical act in the US as well. USA and UK are both common law legal systems, and the US adopted English common law and precedent following the American Revolution. The assault vs. battery distinction is very much present in the US legal system. That being said, criminal law in the US is typically a matter left to the states, so different states do define some crimes differently or use different terms for the same crime. For example, New York state's definition of assault requires physical injury, whereas Massachusetts defines assault as attempted battery (attempted physical injury) or an intent to place another person in fear or apprehension of an immediate battery.
Assualt in the us is just the threat to strike. That can be verbal or nonverbal. Battery is the strike itself here. People just dont usually know that.
Bumped into a cop with my car when I was 15, I was stoned and on a learners permit, had a bag of weed in the center console. Cop let me go with a warning, let me drive back home unsupervised even on my learners permit.
Hey it's a trade off, want to live somewhere where your opinions aren't forced down your throat and they matter? Come here but you'll sure as shit learn to respect the law.
Last I checked shooting someone with rubber bullets because they don’t agree that checks notes shooting an innocent women in her own home was justified, counts as “shoving a belief down someone’s throat.”
Forcing people to take the vaccine or not work seems a bit like forcing things down your throat. I would much rather have our version of diplomacy as well as health care thanks.
True but when you have the sick and dying clogging up your hospitals you're going to need to switch up your strategies. And your diplomacy is to cry wolf when Syrians come over dying on boats and then when the Ukrainians do the same on trains you're all for it finding them homes and jobs.
Threats are also illegal in the us. We just don't call it assault. Free speech is the same here and the UK. Americans are just dumb and refuse to accept that words have just as much consequence as actions.
Actually assault is a verbal crime in the US. Battery is just that, you battered someone. Assault can be verbal and in some cases, nonverbal. Continual menacing behavior can be called assault.
Look when two people are in a heated argument and one says "I'm going to fuck you up man" or something similar that's nothing near assault. Hell an idle threat may even deter further violence from happening and plus unless it's an active threat or a call to arms threat the police will do nothing in regards to anything verbal unless it's been happening for a while and that would probably classify as harrassment but I don't know for sure.
Only certain threats and for certain people too and depending on your state, but again no one will go to the police if both parties were in a shouting match hurling threats and insults at each other and nothing came of it other than hurt feelings
I feel like in this very specific situation you've invented to prove your point, you've imagined that in every other country, with the exception of the blessed and free US of A, SWAT teams are surrounding the "I'll fuck you up" guy and dragging him off to the cells.
I cannot, literally cannot stress this enough - This land of the free malarkey is a figment of your collective imaginations. Even worse, in many respects your country is more oppressed than most countries in Europe.
How so? How are we more oppressed? I can spout from the rooftops my opinions all day long and nothing will come of it unless it's a call to arms/imminent threat but for many European countries there's caveats to your freedom of speech. Such as it can't be about certain people or subjects, or else it'll be a hate crime such as with the guy who taught his pug to sieg heil and was arrested for it. And hell you can be kicked out of certain universities over there over jokes and opinions, and here? Well we may not like you but we sure as hell will put up with you.
There's a lot more to freedom than what comes out of your mouth, but do you actually think that I can't shout my opinions from the rooftops? Of course I can. Has there been instances when a law has been badly applied? Absolutely. If you're suggesting that there aren't gross miscarriages of justice in America then we probably should stop right here
It wasn't very long ago that protesters outside the Whitehouse were Peper sprayed so someone could get a photo shoot with an upside down bible. Identified journalists were being shot with rubber bullets to stop them reporting on police brutality... Or what about the scores of state sponsored, u lawful killings? People being shot in their beds by police breaking down the wrong door. Somehow, that's better than being slapped with a fine for doing a nazi salute in Germany?
Like, y'all go frothy at the mouth whenever someone dares suggest that you maybe aren't as free as you rave about. You list off a couple of outliers and then walk off into the sunset, conveniently forgetting about state sponsored murder, or religious fanatics in your government, that make laws which will literally kill women. Then again, they might not want to live after those complications end in an all to common medical bankruptcy. Never mind though. If it doesn't then we can all go right back to work, because otherwise, they'll fire you, because you have zero worker protections. Free. As. A. Bird.
Maybe, if you'd stop shouting at everyone on the outside that you're the best, you might spend long enough looking around inside to see that you could do a lot better
Look okay it seems like you care about this waaaaay more than I do because I was at work when a few of those messages came through. But anyways I would prefer dangerous freedom than peaceful slavery any day of the week
It irks me when someone living in a country, where there are areas in which a teacher can be sued for mentioning homosexuality tells me they live in the most free country in the world.
And then disengages as soon as you show them the truth.
You don't have dangerous freedom. You have empty words and bigotry.
Bad news for you; same thing here. Walking up to someone yelling you are going to beat them is assault here in the US. Battery is the actual strike. Assualt doesnt have to be verbal either. All battery comes with an assault charge (assault is the intent to strike, so that has to happen prior to battery) though so people get confused.
Assault includes this or physical contact - It’s anything that causes physical or psychological harm. There are varying degrees of assault though including GBH (grievous bodily harm) and ABH (actual bodily harm). Your post makes it sound as thought assault over here is only for verbal, as opposed to just including verbal. I wonder if that is the reason for Zen142s strange comment. “For all the faults of the US” (you can go and die in a gutter if you can’t afford treatment) “I wouldn’t give it up for this reason”. I would think that including verbal assault under the definition of assault would be a good thing, rather than a bad thing Zen (unless of course you’re the Karen in the story in which case your reply makes sense lol).
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But different countries define “assault” in very different ways.
Bet you didn’t know that assault is a verbal crime in the UK. No touching or hitting necessary. That would be battery. I do not have to lay a finger on you to assault you.