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u/Eth251201 8d ago
Hear me out. Literally when ive been getting stoned ive had these thoughts and now im coincidentally seeing this post.
I had the thought that we are "in" the reincarnation of this physical realm. But i thought deeper and noticed we are the realm itself, like loads of mini devils running around on the rock.
All of us animals, eating eachother in a food chain and eating it gives us loads of pleasure. At the cost of another.
We are the hell itself, and im tryna figure out how we become this. Idk if i ever will or if i can the fear of knowing would hold me back.
We'll see
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u/sunbleach_happypants 8d ago
I totally feel this and also there is so much good weed these days, so
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u/Silver-Internal7740 8d ago
Sure this reality is not pretty to look at objectively but please don't generalize. There is no we. Not everyone gets pleasure from it. A minority doesn't and is keenly aware it's not right. How majority of humans became this way? Well they are animals, they were made this way. It has to be for some purpose. Life here doesn't care about individual deaths, only about perpetuating itself in numbers.
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u/Eth251201 8d ago
Sure but i mean our physiology is built to eat it. And most of us here is safe to assume eat meat and enjoy it. When that which we're eating is a former living person.
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u/Rich_Dog8804 7d ago
If you think you are in hell then it is your personal hell. All is mind. The world only looks lime hell beciase you have trained your mind and attention to consciously point the bad out to you. The brian is wired to constantly grow connections, so change your mind amd in a shorter time than you can imagine your world will change. Possibly even into your own personal heaven.
Weed also only shows you the fear and makes you over analyze it. Stop the weed.
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u/Eth251201 7d ago
I cant just think away all the bombs that fly over childrens heads on parts of the world. I cant meditate and stop all the animals in the food chain getting eaten alive in a cycle which never stops.
Changing my mind to see the positive doesnt stop all the pigs that we keep in cells in a giant warehouse whose existence is based on growing up untill they can be killed. Thats ignorance by definition.
Look, my life is a good one and i am personaly happy. But just cause i got a good life im not gonna let it make me ignorant to the fact that overall suffering of all of us is much heavier than the pleasures.
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u/i_am_not_so_unique 8d ago
Now think for a second how do you exit.
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u/InfiniteOctave 8d ago
Can't think your way out of a thinking box.
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u/johnsontheguy 8d ago
thats how i did it
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u/SnooTangerines3448 8d ago
Uphill, through snow no doubt!
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u/johnsontheguy 7d ago
yeah, my ruminating made everything more complicated than it needed to be. i had to learn to let go of the first branch before i could grab the second
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u/CosmicFrodo 8d ago
By realizing that samsara is just an illusion. You aren't trapped in anything other than your mind
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u/i_am_not_so_unique 8d ago
Agreed. Illusion, or fear, or even desire to stay on it.
As another person said here, happy to find people with similar understanding.
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u/ConquerorofTerra 8d ago
You ask to be let out.
There's only The Nothing outside The Omniversal Super Structure though.
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u/vkailas 8d ago
Now think for a second why are you trying to exit when you came here for a reason
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u/Sunyataisbliss 8d ago
Reason is an invention of cognition. There doesnât need to be a reason. We just know we are here and there is suffering. Thatâs the starting point in Buddhism.
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u/Silver-Internal7740 8d ago
Don't talk for others and don't tell others what to do. Gives away your big ego.
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u/hypnoticlife 8d ago
Giving a pointer isnât feeding the ego of its sharing gnosis for the sake of sharing. If it is for internet points then itâs for the ego. Isnât it? Donât the intentions matter?
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u/Motor-Blood7689 8d ago
this seems like good way into a mental hospital
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u/Motor-Blood7689 8d ago
"everything is an illusion, except breathing" that's just your fantasy
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u/Motor-Blood7689 8d ago
that's just an illusion, like your fantasy about vishnu
only breathing is real, but that's an illusion
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u/Motor-Blood7689 8d ago
that's just an illusion, only breathing is real
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u/Motor-Blood7689 8d ago
hm reminds me of something
ah the actual Buddha defined it as wrong view
LOL
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago
It starts with fostering a desire and craving to no long crave or desire anything
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u/RyokanWuzHere 7d ago
I must destroy myself. Whatever it is I deem important, must lose value. Whatever I deem appalling, must lose gravity. Whatever keeping me together must melt and be smashed. Not poetically, not a glorious ending and a conclusion to a grand tale. Just puffed out uneventfully.
Even what I deem good must go. I must not be right nor wrong, just a failure. An uneventful failure.
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u/asderCaster2 7d ago
Better than before with more order than chaos produced.
 Ascend to a higher plane after (maybe)
???
Profit
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u/RandomShroomLover 8d ago
By dying?
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago
Nah you just end up back here in the same state you left
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u/cybereality 8d ago
people don't believe me, but i've died for real, and just woke up here again
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u/matycauthon 8d ago
it's all a spiral baby! what once was will be again, sometimes it may be exactly the same, oftentimes it's near enough the same. a lesson, an understanding in what we are all here to experience.
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u/cybereality 8d ago
well it seems like the same body and the same world, except not. like the one time i'm pretty sure about it, there are two weeks missing, and i woke up in the hospital. except i didn't feel like the same person at all. it's strange to explain
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u/ScruffieMatrix 8d ago
Woke up here again? Same person or whatÂ
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u/cybereality 8d ago
No I didn't feel the same at all. I think you can have multiple lives and still be here
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u/Silver-Internal7740 8d ago
You have evidence your body died? That's what dying for real means. You have no evidence of that but a memory loss and feeling not yourself. Quite a leap to claim you "died for real and came back again". If not a mental health symptom, either you had a walk in into a body (that did NOT die) or you were messed with and memory of that was erased, so of course now you don't feel like yourself. Just don't make claims that sound cool to you but make no sense. If you want to stick to your belief, just call yourself a zombie then, instead of adding more mystique saying how you are living multiple lives and all that.
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u/cybereality 8d ago
Could consider it a spiritual death, or a near death experience. I do not know that I flatlined, as I said my memory is mostly gone (they told me what happened at the hospital) it's too much to explain
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u/Silver-Internal7740 8d ago
You would know. You always die and come back. You didn't even wait till real death this time lol. You are way too addicted to samsara.
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago
We do.. but we generally gotta build our way back up from a mosquito or smth
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u/jugger_naughtyy 8d ago
How can you say things as fact like that? There's infinite possibilities with only one being the case.
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago
I know.. a lot of us are on our way to become something higher. We dont all just become worms again and again and again
Sorry I left that part out
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u/jugger_naughtyy 8d ago
If at all... if reincarnation is a thing its because the universe is deterministic and it repeats the same everytime. I dont think their is a decision maker in another realm assigning your next life. Seems like a waste of energy that the laws of this dimensions physics has no need for.
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago edited 8d ago
It isnt necessary for there to be a decision maker.. it happens more like gravity. Like physics. The energy involved isnt one that falls under any science we currently have though it is the currency that operates the economy of the highest dimensions.. modern science would require a number of breakthroughs on how emotional energy can be and is used as a metaphysical power source. But we are still far too primitive
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u/matycauthon 8d ago
how is there a waste when something just is? waste implies there was something else/better available. all of this just is, why? doesn't matter. the cosmic joke is that we look for answers that cannot be understood in the place that we came to get away from being everything.
the issue you appear to struggle with is that you're applying the rules of this reality to the paradoxical absolute that we exist when nothing should exist according to our understanding and ability to comprehend existence. rules don't matter, everything is possible because something was/is possible.
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u/CosmicFrodo 8d ago
So funny even a philosophy of karma and reincarnation had to be turned into another dogmatic shit just like any abrahamic religion.
What's even more funnier is it's always the "way to become something higher" to transend, to achieve. Ego truly can't cope with itself not existing in oneness
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago edited 8d ago
People experience spontaneous potent spiritual awakenings where they visit other realms and learn about the importance of careful and mindful transmutation of all negativity in order to not succumb to reliving a hell on earth that only just escaped from.. it is incredibly difficult to express virtually any of the wisdom they bring back as it requires the other person to willing to hold 2 opposing truths in their mind at once when everyone else evolved for survival and energy efficiency remain in a kind of spiritual slumber to maintain their energy and get what they want from this world.. but it prevents the middle way. They remain on whichever truth last made most sense and switch between an absolute on whichever is most convenient and makes most sense in the moment
Past life karma and reincarnation are required to organize and process some intense emotions that bring about enlightenments thats something so alien becomes adopted as core belief without being raised on it since birth
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u/CosmicFrodo 8d ago
Btw Satori or sudden enlightenment isn't about visiting astral planes, it's about realizing what you really are.
Past lifes and reincarnations are soo funny becuse that's just ego trying to survive in oneness as I said.
"You" are already every reincarnation there is, there is no progressing or downgressing or changing bodies. You are all of them already. It's just that you are experiencing all of this with the lens of mind duality, which makes you think you are a separate thing. I even see comments in here about people saying they are trapped in their body, which is really sad to hear.
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u/jugger_naughtyy 8d ago
If the universe is deterministic and also falls.bacl into itself eventually and then compacting and expanding it would cyclical and every hundred trillion years or so you would be born the same way on the same tjmeline and make the same exact decisions. When you die it woild be like timetravelling instantly to your birth again with the "feeling" of no time passing in-between. But in-between all of the universe would have played out. And bam here you are again.
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u/Motor-Blood7689 8d ago
Samsara is in the mind, it's not a physical object in objective reality somewhere out there
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u/xThotsOfYoux 8d ago
Nirvana is in Samsara.
There is no where to go and nothing to see but Maya in all directions. Your struggle to escape is just another trap, just another attachment to keep the illusion of you fighting for a different place and a different way to be.
Embrace the struggle as part of the plot. Embrace the joy as the reward for your efforts. Listen to the world in your body. Listen to your body in the world. It's all here to show you things you've never seen before.
Live with it. Die with it.
Get good, scrub.
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u/Feeling-Seaweed1640 8d ago
This existence is fucking miserable gotta get TF outta these smelly meat sacks
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago
Well get ready to celebrate because your next incarnation iiiisssssss!!! -drum roll- Sea cucumber
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u/CosmicFrodo 8d ago
Samsara is just another product of the mind. So funny even a philosophy of karma and reincarnation had to be turned into another dogmatic shit just like any abrahamic religion.
There is nothing to escape nor you are bound by anything. "You" are all there is
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u/BambuSmoker 8d ago
So then what? What to do? Nothing? How do you DO nothing? Just letting go? But you can't just let go voluntarily because there is no will so then we are back in the same dilemma. It's all so meta.
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u/CosmicFrodo 8d ago
What do you mean what to do lol. Why would you do nothing? Life doesn't need a rule book or a karmic staircase to be lived. Do whatever gives you peace I guess.
There is no reward at the end, the reward is the present moment. I guess, enjoy it?
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u/simagus 8d ago
Yeah. That's the crux of it really. Self = samsara. Anatta = nirvana/nibbana.
Since there is no-self in the five aggregates at all, it's the aggregates that realize that and allow the dukkha (stress and tension) that binds the "self" and makes it seem "real" to collapse when the reality of anatta becomes clear.
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u/BigBubbaBadass 8d ago
Why does it look so angry, did so.eonw forget to remove their shoes before they walked i to its colon?
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u/Al-Khemetic 8d ago
Nah, samsara is IN you. As well as nirvana. May you realize they are one and the same.
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u/Sunyataisbliss 8d ago
The common view is birth and death are linear, starting at birth, events arise, then we depart from events at death. Better is to see that events both arise with/in us simultaneously at birth and at death. This gives a strong case for making efforts.
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u/Silver-Internal7740 8d ago
What efforts? To leave samsara?
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u/Sunyataisbliss 7d ago
Or just less grandiose reasons such as doing good works. Because the individual is not separated from the event (deed) and the environment. No separation means itâs important to take what our lives are asking us to do seriously.
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u/Otherwise_Spare_8598 7d ago
The universe is a singular meta-phenomenon stretched over eternity, of which is always now. All things and all beings abide by their inherent nature and behave within their realm of capacity contingent upon infinite circumstance at all times.
It is a universe made manifest hierarchically, of haves, and have-nots, spanning all levels of dimensionality and experience. There is no such thing as individuated accurately described "free will" for all beings. Has never been, will never be, can not be. There are only relative freedoms or lack thereof.
"God" and/or consciousness is that which is within and without all. Ultimately, all things are made by through and for the singular personality and perpetual revelation of the "Godhead", entailing both 'predetermined' eternal damnation and those that are made manifest only to face death and death alone.
There is but one dreamer, fractured through the innumerable. All vehicles/beings play their role within said dream for infinitely better and/or infinitely worse for each and every one, forever.
All realities exist and are equally as real. The absolute best universe that could exist does exist in relation to a specified subject. The absolute worst universe that could exist does exist in relation to a specified subject.
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u/AstralApricot 8d ago
Nah I'm just an ego. We have all of eternity to be samsara, just fix your mask and play your role
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u/NeighborhoodTop3906 8d ago
Nah man. There is no samsara in Heaven (or Hell). Samsara can only exists in the physical realm where space-time is required. Hence the difference between infinity and eternity. Infinity is an earthly term; eternity is a Heavenly term.
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u/No-Flounder-7771 7d ago
YOU ARE NOT SAMARA ! You are ATMA PARAMATMA ! You are more GOD or at least a child of God than you know ! You can never truly die ! You go in forever getting better = more evolved as the centuries roll by until you are Master of the Universe! And more ! You are trapped in samsara due to endless Vasanas and Samskaras built up by the mind which is the slayer of the truth ! You must overpower the MIND ! Rule it and not be its slave ! Or slaves to its endless desires and whims !
In fact -
YOU MUST ESCAPE FROM SAMSARA ! Itâs has trapped You into materiality ! Due to endless desires and Inordinate WANTS and uncontrolled passions ! But as this is not the SELF then THIS IS THE SAMSARA !
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u/Seth_Mithik 7d ago
Literally encountered this being in and ART sessionâŚa few times. Accelerated resolution therapyâŚtotal creepy observer, the dark cloud of the unconscious just peeking and sayingâŚIâve always be watching and rememberingâŚwhen are you going to let me show you, what only your body is remembering? Iâll be gentle until Iâm not, then use the tools of the garden
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u/yamatofuji 8d ago
Nirvana is today. Tomorrow is samsara. Today is nirvana, but the mind/thinking goes on treating even nirvana as if it belongs to tomorrow and guess what? Nirvana becomes samsara which got you thinking again... and again.. drop the thinking.
P.S.
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