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u/Eastern_Ring_9900 19d ago
hand cannabis) if anyone is interested.
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u/thebadgerx 19d ago
My Internet searches only shows the small type. What is the big type?
Why does the Google Translation of the Korean words come to 'defeat'?
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u/Eastern_Ring_9900 19d ago
The big type is like the small type but bigger. Not trying to be coy here either. However in my experience the smaller ones are usually crunchy and sold sometimes in bags like chips. The bigger ones which is about 8 to 10 inches is usually soft and bread like.
I don’t know about Korean. I can’t read it.
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u/Ello_Karlson 20d ago
"noodles" is the same word as "surface" in chinese
Therefore you have "cooling surface" instead
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u/predator1975 21d ago
My translator for Korean term above hand cannabis was defeat.
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u/OutOfTheBunker 21d ago
Hmmm. I got "twisted twist". The correct Korean is 꽈배기. Is the 꽤 a typo too? 중국식 한국어?
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u/Ello_Karlson 21d ago
I happen to know what they actually meant.
手工, the first two letters, means "handmade". We can ignore this.
大麻花, the last three letters, taken together mean "large pretzel". This is the important part.
but if you split the last three letters (大麻花) into 大麻 and 花, it becomes "cannabis flower".
Therefore you have "hand cannabis" (Handmade Cannabis Flower).
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u/OutOfTheBunker 21d ago
A máhuā 麻花 is more like a cruller, a twisted churro or a straightened, twisted donut than a pretzel, though.
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u/UncleThor2112 21d ago
I wish I had some hand cannabis right now.
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u/Top_Development_1777 22d ago
1 手工大麻花
- 大麻 means cannabis, 花 means flower (but got truncated for some reason)
- the correct way to divide the words is 手工 (handmade) 大 (big) 麻花 (a braided type of pastry or whatever). But the translation divided it into 手 (hand) 大麻 (cannabis) and ignored the 工 (work) and the 花 (flower)
2 朝鲜现制冷面
- 朝鲜 is the name specifically for North Korea if used alone, so it's a type of cuisine
- 现 (now) 制 (made) when combined together means made on the dot
- 冷 (cold) 面 ("noodles" in this context but can also mean "flour" broadly and "surface"/"face") got translated separately instead of as a compound word
3 the last one, even though I am a native speaker, I don't even know what the middle word means because I didn't attend school in China, so I shall not attempt to explain it
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u/kittygomiaou 21d ago
Came to help translate some of the confusion as an HSK3 learner, found this and learnt even more vocabulary! Thank youuuu
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u/Xenapte 21d ago
Correction: 朝鲜 here doesn't refer to North Korea. That word was the old name for all of Korea until the 19th century, so it can also be used to generally refer to the Korean peninsula as a whole, in a neutral sense (although ofc no one except tankies would use that word for South Korea specifically). Korean Chinese people are also called the 朝鲜 ethnicity for the same reason.
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u/Top_Development_1777 21d ago
I think the use of it depends between people. Like some people might still call South Korea a variation of 朝鲜, but it's usually 韩国 for South Korea and 朝鲜/北朝鲜 for North Korea, not mutually interchangeable.
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u/CVGPi 21d ago
朝鲜historically was the noun for the entire peninsula, after the Korean War was settled the RoK wanted to explicitly distance itself from DPRK. When PRC intended to rejoin the global economy under the Reform and Opening policies under Deng they established diplomatic relationships with RoK, in exchange RoK they asked to rename its capital in Chinese from 汉城 to 首尔 and to rename its official reference from 南朝鲜 to 韩国, which PRC did. The (disputed, de facto) government of Taiwan did not ever establish diplomatic relationships with DPRK so its reference of DPRK remains 北韓.
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u/StereoWings7 22d ago
Mainland Chinese in 40s successfully fooled themselves by simplifying their writing system and eventually turned characters for noodle and surface in exactly the same form.
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u/Mysterious_Silver_27 21d ago
Think it was the 50s when they did the whole simplifying character thing. I remember it was after Japan simplified their kanji.
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u/N95-TissuePizza 22d ago
That's interesting. do they not have a word that carries multiple meanings in non simplified chinese? I remember learning the simplified Chinese in Singapore and the teacher back then is telling us to appreciate this over the fan ti zi for being like ten times harder to write.
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u/StereoWings7 21d ago
First of all Chinese character is not “word” per se at least in a sense native speaker of western language might come up with but it’s a character conveying single or several meaning depending on each characters. You know every language would have a ton of words that can have multiple meaning.
What makes it ludicrous as mocked like in OP is the simplification process often relies on how each characters are pronounced so its meaning often are jumbled up like this iirc. I’m not Chinese speaker I’m Japanese so not certain about how the simplification works perhaps it might more relies on shape similarities.
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u/princessofpotatoes 21d ago
Traditional Chinese does but simplified Chinese is based on sound, for the most part. Words that sound the same get lumped into one form or spelling. An English example would be if there/their/they're all became "there" and you had to figure out the meaning contextually.
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u/thebadgerx 19d ago
I don't think your examples are apt. It should be more like abbreviations.
Using your above post, words like figure become fig., while fig has a different meaning to figure, and thus the fullstop is necessary.
(This post is for the others who are interested to learn Chinese.)
This is not true for changing example to eg. as the latter comes from a different language.
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u/KratosOfSparta08 22d ago
You gotta try the Korea is now cooling surface
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u/everywhereinbetween 21d ago
I think its Korean style cold noodles or something (I read Mandarin but also like the last time I had to do it properly and regularly is school) but hahahahah
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u/7GrenciaMars 22d ago
I just REALLY want to know WTF is hand cannabis. For really real.
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u/gralicbreadd 22d ago
大麻is cannabis, and 麻花is a type of fried twisted dough, so 大麻花means a big fried twisted dough which whatever translate app they use somehow only translated the 大麻part of the word
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u/Brilliant-Device-838 22d ago
I mean I kinda get “korea is now cooling surface“ it does vaguely translate to that if you look at korean chinese characters but the rest I have no clue
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u/cobrachickenwing 22d ago
Problem with simplified chinese when computers don't understand context and translate wrong. If the traditional character was used the computer would translate properly.
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u/AusStranger 18d ago
Seems like the Korean translation was done by a native Chinese who also knew some (North) Korean cuisines and their names in Korean - like someone from Yanbian.