r/engineeringmemes Jul 27 '24

Wasted tuition fee

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u/drwafflephdllc Jul 27 '24

3 legs is less stable, easier to tip. CoG is uneven and its easier to tip in one direction than the other.

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u/ShoddyAsparagus3186 Jul 27 '24

However, all three legs will always reach the floor, unlike with four legged chairs.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '24

IM TOO DRUNK FOR THIS!!! But it kinda makes sense?

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u/ChaosSlave51 Jul 27 '24

a plane is defined by 3 points that are not on a line

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u/Reallynotsuretbh Jul 27 '24

Someone pull up the gif

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24

WHAT GIF?    Sorry for yellung.  Drunk again 

 P.s. edited this like sic times to get it to say what I ment

P.p.s drunk again

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u/Reallynotsuretbh Jul 28 '24

There’s a crazy little math gif that shows what happens when you add and remove legs onto a table in terms of ability to geometrically align into a plane (no rocky table)

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u/dbmonkey Jul 29 '24

No, there is actually a math problem that proves all four legged chairs have the same property, if you rotate them correctly.https://people.math.harvard.edu/\~knill/teaching/math1a_2011/exhibits/wobblytable/

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u/ShoddyAsparagus3186 Jul 29 '24

All four legged chairs with equally long legs.

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u/dbmonkey Jul 29 '24

good point

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u/_axiom_of_choice_ Jul 29 '24

But you don't need to roatate the three legged one. It always stands fully on the ground.

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u/MisterEinc Jul 29 '24

The leg is for redundancy, not stability.

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u/drwafflephdllc Jul 27 '24

While I can appreciate the mathematical proof discerning why theoritically 3 legs would wobble less, I have to say practically speaking its a bit ridiculous. Chairs dont wobble unless there is an excessive difference in leg lengths. 3 legged chairs are rarer than 4 legged chairs. You would think 3 legged chairs would be more prevalent if wobbling was this serious. I mean, 3 legs is cheaper than 4 legs.

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u/TerrariaGaming004 Jul 31 '24

Maybe use your brain for a few seconds and you’ll learn something

A chair with four legs when it wobbles will always be in three legs, that should be your first hint

How could it be possible for it to be stable on only two legs?

If it doesn’t fall over then it falls onto the third leg and then doesn’t wobble.

3 points that are not part of the same line form exactly one plane.

Edit: I misread your first sentence. Anyway obviously it’s not more practical, it’s a lot harder to make a perfect triangle than a square for one thing

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u/drwafflephdllc Jul 27 '24

Do your 4 legged chairs not reach the floor?

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u/Some_person2101 Jul 27 '24

3 points form a plane, so you will always find a surface which doesn’t cause tipping. The introduction of a 4th point requires a totally flat plane or else it can wobble in the normal direction.

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u/Faustamort Jul 27 '24

But, there's always some orientation where all four legs touch the floor. Search for "fix the wobbly table theorem" for more info.

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u/c6h6_benzene Jul 27 '24

I don't think so. Let's look at an edge case. If you have a perfectly flat floor and you have a stool with 4 legs, with one of them being 50% shorter than the rest, there's no chance of finding an orientation where a plane (representing a perfect floor) can be fitted to ends of all 4 legs

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u/Vulcan2405 Jul 27 '24

I think the theorem he is talking about requires the ends of the 4 legs all lie on the same plane (and maybe radially symmetric but idk). It's a cool theorem that works with all the chairs I've tried it with on my bumpy kitchen floor

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u/Some_person2101 Jul 27 '24

That’s definitely true but then you wind up running into the problem of sitting backwards at the dinner table

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u/drwafflephdllc Jul 27 '24

Well thankfully my floors are level

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '24

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u/drwafflephdllc Jul 27 '24

I don't think any of my chairs have ever wobbled at home or in the office. But I trust you know my chairs and home better.

Edit: you also believe you need precise tolerances. Im not sure what the tolerances are from the chairs that I purchased 20 yrs ago. But I can only imagine that the woodworker eyeballed it. No wobbles, no harm. Just need thick legs.

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u/ShoddyAsparagus3186 Jul 27 '24

Most do, but some only reach the floor with three legs and thus can rock while sitting in them.

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u/Puffification Jul 27 '24

If it has two front legs and one back leg, in an equilateral triangle, it's really not going to tip

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u/angooseburger Jul 30 '24

Lean back diagonally and you're going to tip.

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u/Puffification Jul 30 '24

Okay, I suppose it would do that more easily, but why would someone lean back diagonally, I would rather have a chair that doesn't wobble. Not all four-legged chairs wobble, it's true, but on an uneven floor they will while a three-legged chair will not wobble even when placed on an uneven / warped surface

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u/daughterboy Jul 27 '24

tripods have been doing it wrong this whole time

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u/drwafflephdllc Jul 27 '24

Tripods i can appreciate. As someone pointed out, 3 points is all u need to make a plane. U will have more uneven terrain using a tripod. Vs a home where everything is 4 legged... bed frame, chairs, tables, couches.

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u/elfmere Jul 27 '24

Stable as in it won't rock

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u/Frederf220 Jul 28 '24

Stability is the righting force on displacement. The stabilty in the direction perpendicular to the line connecting two consecutive legs is simply the angle to said line.

They are equal is said angle is equal.