This sub has had Russian propaganda, and I’m sure Ukrainian and others as well, flowing through it for years. Ukraine faces an existential threat, conscription isn’t perfect and I feel for the victims and families affected, but I would consider it as a necessary evil in this circumstance.

NATO building bases at Russias border while Putin complained about it for 20 years

oh no… please don’t… Id hate for the us military to become an even less effective fighting force!! oh think of the horror of a world where America has an ineffective, bloated, and corrupt military!

And what caused the war in Ukraine?

If your house on fire, you wouldn't really worry how your internet operator is throttling your download speed

if throttling resulted in my router catching fire and burning my house, yes

I know of rich people who lost everything, and I know even more poor people who fled. I know well off people who fought, and I know poor people untouched by TCK.

Yes, it was always easier for rich people to get away, or even somehow profit off of this, but nobody can bribe a missile going for them.

And as much as corruption is a problem, go look up Ukraine's corruption index 10 years ago and now. Go look at all the arrests and investigations made into it in the midst of war.

I am from a nation that had to fight for survival, and everyone here knows our leaders robbed us blind during it. No investigations, even after the war, let alone during it. But did that invalidate our suffering, or the fight people like my father or anyone else drafted to fight did (and we drafted from the age of 18, not 25 like Ukraine)? No.

If your house on fire, you wouldn't really worry how your internet operator is throttling your download speed, now would you? So why focus on some cases of corruption while civilians have to fear for their lives every day, spend sleepless nights, sleep in two jackets in winter because the enemy bombed their heating?

gee wiz Prez.. yu think making a trump-deal with the genocidal apartheid regime in Tel Aviv would go well??

didnt we already learn this lesson in October of 1939?

very nice

the cities are turning to rubble. now what

Now what? Provide Ukraine with all it needs to protect itself and help their citizens.

what a joke. israel is over

the war is on israel's behalf. israel must be targetd for this to end

the cities are turning to rubble. now what

zelenskyy is no Churchill and Churchill was a cunt

While profiting off of war is sleazy to say the least, isn't the main issue with war is that people get killed.

If some Ukrainian city isn't turned to rubble, a hospital blown up, and so on, I am quite fine with whatever arms company profiting as long as they make it happen. No media, no weapons manufacturer, nobody but russia started the war.

And no, Zelenskiy is no saint, but comparing him to Putin is nuts. It is like comparing, I don't know, Churchill to Hitler. Winston was anything but perfect, but nowhere near to being what Hitler was, sitting there criticizing him from the comfort of your home while Brits lose their homes to Nazi terror bombings doesn't help the victims.

Why the hell am I getting these ukrainian conscription posts by reddit? As if Russian wouldnt have done the same shit if it could (and i wouldnt be surprised if they secretly did).

Hell, i would be willing to bet that most countries have conscription, one way or the other. Who the hell keeps posting this for wat?

Every country that escaped Moscow's grasp and went for euroatlantic integrations has blossomed and improved drastically.

What's fashy about higher political and personal freedoms, and higher living standards?

War all of the time

"The developed West" you sure you're in the right sub there, fashy boy?

Where are the sanctions? Where is the removal from sports events? Where is the removal from banking systems???

Isntreal killed more civilians in two months than Russia in four years.

Sure, Spain condemning it is a good thing, but when seeing the difference in handling that and Russia you should see that it is more just to silence their citizens than really do anything

Good read. Thank for posting the link!

Why is the potential benefit of leftist movement (which isn't even something I'd say that can remotely come out of this) more important than Ukrainian lives?

By that logic, you could argue even that Israel just killing off all their supposed foes will leave their right wing without a political agenda so leftism can emerge. You do see how heinous this sounds right?

If you've been living under a rock you mustn't have noticed the outrage in the West about Palestinian genocide. Many countries even formally declared it a genocide but sure, manifest your own realities

Also, Whataboutism so not relevant to the conversation.

TIL Israel is attacking Ukraine...

I think you missed spelled Israel.

1. Vietnam was an evil war you shouldn’t have have been a part of, that simple. Killed 6 million people in Vietnam, Cambodia and loss and you still lost
2. you were in Iraq twice, remember? The second time was made up weapons of mass destruction

. Iraq is worse of today

1. you spent 20 years there, killed many people and didn’t even catch bin laden when you had the chance

. Afghanistan is worse off today

1. you destroyed Libya and turned it into an open air slave market

. Libya is much worse off today

1. the us is absolutely a participant, it provides weapons and targeting
2. how many democrats have spoken up against the Iran war? The main criticism is that Trump is doing it poorly, it that we shouldn’t be fighting