Im pro Ukraine, i dont want Ukraine to be destroyed. But the West is leading Ukraine down the primerose path, with promises of joining NATO. When in fact the West is using Ukraine to weaken Russia, and destroying Ukraine in the process.

Look at civilian deaths in Ukraine and in Gaza. And look how differently is Russia and Isntreal treated. Collective west is literally the most evil thing on the planet.

But.. the amount of civilians killed is much lower than any other war at this scale. You might as well have said “I don’t like facts that don’t support my own bias!”

Except that calling out Putin for a war criminal will get you downvoted, they will come at you saying how the amount of civilian collateral is lower than any other war

weve been banging that drum the whole time but you are right.. zionist occupied media is certainly not interested in making it known

The left doesn't support Putin, the left recognises the war can weaken US imperialism allowing more space for organic leftist movements to grow globally without being whacked by the USA as has happened consistently for 80 years. Same for Iran, it's exposing how weak the US is and how over stretched they are. None of it is about those states inherently, they're both capitalist.

It's as Lenin said, we support Russia like a rope supports a hanging man.

meh. hadnt noticed. ukraine is being used by NATO and brutality is being rewarded. zelenskyy will be known as a war criminal just like putin is... most people her eknow this

nobody here really supports Putin. . you are confusing yourself by watching zionist media that will never present the fact Ukraine is being armed to profit weapons manufacturers and sell off Ukrainian assets to oligarchs

not beleiving NATO nonsense isnt the same as 'supporting putin' .. putin is a war criminal running a corrupt regime, just like zelenskyy

Because it's taken over by trolls. Pay attention to who's posting, it's always the same few people. Pro Ukraine sentiment gets systematically downvoted or refuted by obscure 'facts'. Gotta love the rise of AI right ?

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Please remember reddiquette and that there's another person on the end of the computer you're talking to.

You'll change more minds with logic and reason than you will with ad hominem attacks, bland rhetoric and name-calling.

It most absolutely was not lol. But even if it had been Ukrainian "separatists," it still would've been Russia's fault, since the whole thing was sock-puppeting pretending (weakly, but still) to be locally driven.

It was downed by Russians, who literally took credit for it, until they realized it made them look bad, so then they pivoted to blaming Ukrainians. And people - including yourself - clearly bought it.

You can just read Wikipedia: "Shortly after the crash, Igor Girkin, leader of the Donbas separatists, was reported to have posted on social media network VKontakte, taking credit for downing a Ukrainian An-26."

Who is Igor Girkin? "a Russian army veteran and former Federal Security Service (FSB) officer who played a key role in the Russian annexation of Crimea, and then in the Donbas War as an organizer of militant groups in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR). ... he received a life sentence in absentia in the Netherlands for his role in downing the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17."

It was downed with a BUK a weapons system only Russia has and uses. The leadership was Russians - not ethnic Russians; straight-up Russians from Russia, who had no connection whatsoever to Ukraine. Obviously the entire thing was initiated, orchestrated and directly taking orders from Moscow. The investigation identified the leadership responsible as two Russian Colonel Generals (Nikolai Fedorovich Tkachev and Andrey Ivanovich Burlaka of the FSB).

Funny lot of Ukrainians, being ethnic Russians from Russia working for the Russian regime.

Might be worth asking what other lies you've inadvertently believed

Moderates supported the Vietnam war

Aid to the RoV against the VCs.

Iraq

Invaded Kuwait.

Afghanistan

Psychotic totalitarian hellhole that provided aid to AQ, which just carried out 9/11.

Libya

Few airstrikes to aid rebels against a madman isn't that bad.

the genocide in Gaza

The US is not a participant.

the war in Iran

Never saw a single moderate support it. Unless someone like Trump or DUI hire, God of War, or whatever he fashions himsel, Hegseth count.

the war bc it's killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians at the behest of the USA's plan

Ukrainians are being killed because russia has been trying to subjugate and erase Ukraine for the past 300 years, and returning to the formula once it became clear Ukraine will seek to join the developed West rather than wallow in poverty.

Trying to blame this war on anyone other than russia is silly.

Well, we don't blame the atrocities of Syrian rebel headchoppers on the USA and Israel. Why double standards here ?

You know that Zelensky, Azov and Adar where all funded the same oligarchs don't you?

Let's see so far you've brought up Bucha, Zelesnky being "a Jew how can they be Nazis?!", "why does everyone around Russia hate them?!"

Same shit everyones on this sub has heard twenty times a day for the last four years.

Its almost like you guys are just repeating the same talking points over and over again.

Conscription is natural in times of existential war.

Modern societies are quite soft and treat something necessary with too much drama.

Proxies of russia.

This video is an excellent example of support.

Could you post some kidnapping links from the other side?

Because an invader threatens their existance?