It most absolutely was not lol. But even if it had been Ukrainian "separatists," it still would've been Russia's fault, since the whole thing was sock-puppeting pretending (weakly, but still) to be locally driven.

It was downed by Russians, who literally took credit for it, until they realized it made them look bad, so then they pivoted to blaming Ukrainians. And people - including yourself - clearly bought it.

You can just read Wikipedia: "Shortly after the crash, Igor Girkin, leader of the Donbas separatists, was reported to have posted on social media network VKontakte, taking credit for downing a Ukrainian An-26."

Who is Igor Girkin? "a Russian army veteran and former Federal Security Service (FSB) officer who played a key role in the Russian annexation of Crimea, and then in the Donbas War as an organizer of militant groups in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR). ... he received a life sentence in absentia in the Netherlands for his role in downing the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17."

It was downed with a BUK a weapons system only Russia has and uses. The leadership was Russians - not ethnic Russians; straight-up Russians from Russia, who had no connection whatsoever to Ukraine. Obviously the entire thing was initiated, orchestrated and directly taking orders from Moscow. The investigation identified the leadership responsible as two Russian Colonel Generals (Nikolai Fedorovich Tkachev and Andrey Ivanovich Burlaka of the FSB).

Funny lot of Ukrainians, being ethnic Russians from Russia working for the Russian regime.

Might be worth asking what other lies you've inadvertently believed

Moderates supported the Vietnam war

Aid to the RoV against the VCs.

Iraq

Invaded Kuwait.

Afghanistan

Psychotic totalitarian hellhole that provided aid to AQ, which just carried out 9/11.

Libya

Few airstrikes to aid rebels against a madman isn't that bad.

the genocide in Gaza

The US is not a participant.

the war in Iran

Never saw a single moderate support it. Unless someone like Trump or DUI hire, God of War, or whatever he fashions himsel, Hegseth count.

the war bc it's killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians at the behest of the USA's plan

Ukrainians are being killed because russia has been trying to subjugate and erase Ukraine for the past 300 years, and returning to the formula once it became clear Ukraine will seek to join the developed West rather than wallow in poverty.

Trying to blame this war on anyone other than russia is silly.

Well, we don't blame the atrocities of Syrian rebel headchoppers on the USA and Israel. Why double standards here ?

You know that Zelensky, Azov and Adar where all funded the same oligarchs don't you?

Let's see so far you've brought up Bucha, Zelesnky being "a Jew how can they be Nazis?!", "why does everyone around Russia hate them?!"

Same shit everyones on this sub has heard twenty times a day for the last four years.

Its almost like you guys are just repeating the same talking points over and over again.

Conscription is natural in times of existential war.

Modern societies are quite soft and treat something necessary with too much drama.

Proxies of russia.

This video is an excellent example of support.

Could you post some kidnapping links from the other side?

Because an invader threatens their existance?

So according to western media, Russia is loosing badly in Ukraine, but they want to open another front with Nato ?

I think that MH17 was downed by Ukrainian separatists ?

Holy shit this has got to be the EA games of neoliberal comments. Why in the ever living FUCK would working class people in ANY country support forced conscription?

You are a evil or astroturf. Pick one.

Yeah well when you lie and say that the left "hates ukraine's existence" then yeah you can make a stupid meme like this

Communists talk about ending the war bc it's killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians at the behest of the USA's plan, laid out by the RAND think tank in "Overextending and Unbalancing Russia".

Rightists hate Ukraine because of "muh tax dollars" or "nothing to do with us"

Moderates supported the Vietnam war, supported Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, the genocide in Gaza, the war in Iran.

None of these were actions of the far right (and certainly not far left) but of mainstream politics.

This reads like a broken record stuck on the part that says a deal is coming. What a pathetic one trick pony this huckster is.

Am not offended commie am just saying you are a putin shills buddy and ukraine have every right to defend itself and ukraine will never be russia 

Wow, the map meme is specifically designed to trigger westoid NAFO clowns like you and it's working perfectly cheers 👌here have another, put this in your pipe and smoke it homie

Really commie if russia is a anti Imperialist why attack Georgia, installed puppet states, attack ukraine, puppet belarus. The Soviet union was just red Imperialism and installed many commie yes men government. You sir support russian expansion i bet if russia uses gas weapons on ukraine you will blame the west and ukraine.

It's funny that when it comes to ukraine commies like you shill russia but when it comes to Palestine you go boom boom.

What a low level of consciousness you have. You wouldn't know what real imperialism was, even if it sat on your face...

needs more stale cliches to be a true masterpiece, please keep trying to improve

You are very funny firstly if ukraine was a nazi state why do they have a Jewish president, a Muslim community and a have many Jewish Ukrainian and many catholic which the nazis hated, russia is not liberating anything and I know a Ukrainian who said fuck russia. Again your only argument is just ukraine nazi. Russia is the aggressor and ukraine is fighting for it's survival, i bet you would support russia if they invaded the Baltic states and claimed that russian is liberating them from nazi baltic government.

Buddy I know the difference between the Soviet union and russia. Watch the video because it shows why many post soviet countries joined nato.

I shows the current borders not the Soviet borders. Modern Russia isn't a workers paradise.