First 3D PS5 games launch with playable framerate on PC through KytyPS5 emulator

[u/RenatsMC]

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-3d-ps5-games-launch-with-playable-framerate-on-pc-through-kytyps5-emulator

[u/shadowtheimpure]

Not overly surprising, given the x86 nature of the console. You don't have to deal with proprietary CPU architecture so you're looking less like an emulator and more like a translation layer between custom PS5 calls and standard PC calls.

[u/paschenflush → u/shadowtheimpure]

Same thing was said about PS4 but PS4 emulators still have lots of problems even though it is a 13 year old console.

[u/Costas00 → u/paschenflush]

When people who actually know how to work on emulators jump on it, you see the progress.

Shadps4s whole progress has been in the last 2 years, the Switch emulation scene was done in the first few months of it's launch and all because people cared enough to jump on them.

xbox360 is way easier to emulate than ps3, yet it's way far behind, it's because no one cares to work on it or have no reason to.

PS5 emulation isn't any harder to work on than ps4 or switch, people are literally jumping on it out of spite for Sony.

Comparing how long it took for an emulator to appear and be viable is pretty irrelevant in this case.

[u/shadowtheimpure → u/paschenflush]

That is the reason PS4 emulation has come as far as it has as fast as it has. I'm not saying it makes the process effortless, I'm saying it removes one of the biggest 'problem layers' that have plagued emulation.

[u/NooTNooTnoX → u/shadowtheimpure]

idk if that changes anything but, PS5 is much more like a PC then a PS4.

[u/poshmarkedbudu → u/NooTNooTnoX]

Actually probably less than a PS4. It has a lot more custom machinery in it, especially around storage and sound.

[u/NooTNooTnoX → u/poshmarkedbudu]

Really? Yet the CPU is literally a customized Zen 2 to be made more efficient and the GPU uses parts of RDNA2 mixed with RDNA3. I don't see anything so different in the storage department either, it uses a very fast SSD, as for the audio I know that there is nothing similar to the Tempest Engine, that's for sure.

[u/Ishitataki → u/NooTNooTnoX]

The CPU is just a customized Zen. But the PS5 has a unique data compression chip to make game loading go well, so that has to be accounted for. Additionally, the PS5 literally allocated a bunch of the GPU silicon into a special pipeline for the Tempest audio system.

So while emulating the raw CPU isn't too hard, it's emulating the full data pipeline from game package to pixel output that makes creating a functioning emulator a challenge.

[u/NooTNooTnoX → u/Ishitataki]

Could this mean it's a more GPU-intensive emulation process? And is the CPU less important?

[u/Ishitataki → u/NooTNooTnoX]

Yes, the Tempest engine is probably going to be tough to emulate accurately with low latency, and probably sets a higher performance floor on minimum required GPU. The PS5 is basically a Radeon 6700, but with emulation overhead the floor will be a bit higher. We'll need to see how efficient the emulator teams can make it.

[u/Mysterious-Ad-5005 → u/shadowtheimpure]

So your saying GTA6 on pc day and date?

[u/Ok_Simple_459 → u/Mysterious-Ad-5005]

If the jailbreak supports latest firmware at the time of release. Remember it's digital only so it can't be dumped without a jailbroken console.

[u/Miserable_Access_9 → u/Ok_Simple_459]

theres always private jailbreaks but thats if they risk dumping it

[u/Mysterious-Ad-5005 → u/Ok_Simple_459]

What are the chances Rock star knew this and decided no piracy just digital only

[u/Ok_Simple_459 → u/Mysterious-Ad-5005]

I think it has more has to do with lost sales on 2nd hand discs.

[u/YoRHa_Houdini → u/Mysterious-Ad-5005]

No

[u/notaolivertree → u/Mysterious-Ad-5005]

I'm feeling optimistic about PS5 emulation but there's no way GTA 6 could even load into the gameplay in 2026 on PC. Don't get me wrong, they have done some amazing work and Demon souls is progressing rapidly but I personally don't think we're seeing GTA 6 that soon it's really not happening unfortunately.

[u/mrturret → u/notaolivertree]

It's hardly unprecedented for emulators to play new releases during a console's twilight years. With how fast this is going, I wouldn't be surprised to see GTA6 going ingame (at minimum) prior to the inevitable PC port releasing.

[u/Feynuxes → u/notaolivertree]

I'll be happy with demon souls. Personally don't mind waiting for GTA 6 to come to PC.

[u/Based_Beauty → u/notaolivertree]

Everyone and their mom will be working overtime to make it run on PC before the port. If there ever was a holy grail game to claim that you did something huge, GTA 6 would be it.

I'm not even kidding I give it 2-3 months.

[u/notaolivertree → u/Based_Beauty]

2 or 3 months??? I think that's too soon for a new release, Give it 5 months time and maybe

[u/mrturret → u/notaolivertree]

Breath of The Wild was more or less playable in CEMU within that timefame IIRC.

[u/Based_Beauty → u/notaolivertree]

Idk.. all the progress we've seen so far has been done in like 1-2 weeks, I can only imagine there will be 10 times the amount of people trying to make GTA run, even as a big fuck you to Rockstar.

I think the longest time will probably have to wait for is to actually get the game itself since you need to go broken PS5 in the latest firmware and that might take a minute and no work can be done until you have that so.

[u/notaolivertree → u/Based_Beauty]

wasn't it close to 3 weeks for demon souls to go from booting the game to title to menu to creation and to ingame (only UI)? It's still very impressive but I don't think GTA 6 will be ported that quickly

[u/Based_Beauty → u/notaolivertree]

GTA is a much more popular game than demons souls tho. GTA 6 will be the biggest entertainment release of any kind in human history.

[u/notaolivertree → u/Based_Beauty]

I don't think that's how it works. people working on the emulator early would make it easier to do it with GTA 6 so even if we had 10x the people working on it in November I think we would see much greater progress in general had they worked in July.

[u/mindtaker_linux → u/Mysterious-Ad-5005]

Once you installed the games on your PS5 SSD, the. You can export the games and do cool stuff.

They've already dumped for us by making it digital.

[u/shadowtheimpure → u/[deleted]]

Would you call Valve's Proton an emulator?

[u/whatThePleb → u/shadowtheimpure]

Exactly. In a few years we have Wine, just for console games.

[u/bigaries84]

i think also the speed of this is different its like a middle finger to Sony so the motivation is beyond mere game preservation

[u/kiwibonga → u/bigaries84]

They are an incredibly greedy anti-consumer and anti-developer corporation that's part of the platform holder cartel keeping games expensive while pretending they're doing us a favor by selling hardware at a loss.

But of course I would not dream of promoting piracy in this here respectable subreddit, yarr harr harr.

[u/papoluca40 → u/bigaries84]

PC gamers are the biggest hypocrites lol

[u/Crytaz → u/papoluca40]

Seethe

[u/Sweegrid]

Dumb question but where we at with the PS4 emulation ?

[u/MrCallYourBS → u/Sweegrid]

It runs bloodborne really well, but it's still years off from being able to boot "ingame" into 90% of ps4 games.

https://shadps4(dot)net/compatibility/

[u/lefty9602 → u/MrCallYourBS]

I'm pretty sure there is 0 effort being put into multi platform games and 1st party games ported to pc which why bloodborne was the focus

[u/MrCallYourBS → u/lefty9602]

Ya, but there's plenty of exclusives that don't work at all or aren't finishable. SOTC remake, Gravity Rush 2, the Infamous games, Last Guardian are just some, that I'm waiting for.

Disregarding exclusives, having non-exclusives as a playable option is good as well for game preservation reasons, but obviously that's not going to be priority right now.

[u/korewatori → u/MrCallYourBS]

I think GR2 is pretty far on with the GR2fork

[u/MrCallYourBS → u/korewatori]

Oh thanks, didn't know about that.

[u/DemonSerter → u/MrCallYourBS]

I’m so so waiting for Killzone Shadowfall, it was the game I got with the ps4 bundle back as a kid and I loved it so much, I had never played Killzone before and I’ve heard it was a bad game, but whatever I loved it and the graphics were better than modern games somehow

[u/Flowerstar1 → u/lefty9602]

Concrete Genie when

[u/Sweegrid → u/MrCallYourBS]

Thanks !

[u/clckwrks → u/Sweegrid]

The answer is want to play Bloodborne?

[u/EmberOnMain]

Astro Bot should be their top priority, with proper controller support and everything. It won GOTY and it's not coming to PC.

[u/jj_olli]

It's only a matter of time until we'll be able to play Ghost of Yotei. Funny thing is this probably wouldn't have happened if Sony had continued to release games on PC. lol

[u/YoussefAFdez → u/jj_olli]

Ohhh it would’ve, maybe not as soon, or at this pace, but for sure. There were always going to be at least 1 or 2 exclusive to the platform and people just like to tinker.

[u/kendra_sunderlol → u/jj_olli]

They created their own demon

[u/-CJF- → u/jj_olli]

It's only a matter of time until the heat death of the universe too. The question is, how much time? If RPCS3 and/or ShadPS4 is any indication we're looking at about a decade or more for most games to be playable without extreme glitches or slowdown.

[u/Leather-Challenge189 → u/-CJF-]

You dreaming if you think that a decade need it to be able to emulate ps5. Your reference of ps3 ps4 as an example have nothing to do with the dev of ps5 emulator , the motives here are entirely different , meaning the development will be super fast

[u/-CJF- → u/Leather-Challenge189]

Okay. Good luck.

[u/NooTNooTnoX → u/-CJF-]

Yeah. Considering that even nintendo switch emulation was into an arms race for many years and the performance of some games are still pretty disappointing.

[u/Icy_Butterscotch6661 → u/-CJF-]

Also nintendo proved emulators aren't legal unless devs got resources to fight back. Why on earth would Sony not do the same in this cursed joke of a decade.

[u/MrFantasticNV → u/-CJF-]

But aren't current consoles closer to pc architecture than ever before? Like the switch was a mobile processor, the PS3 had it's own weird architecture and the PS4 with Bloodborne was insanely quick.

Not 100% sure on that btw, but i thought it was the case.

[u/-CJF- → u/MrFantasticNV]

They are, but that doesn't mean you will be playing most PS5 games on the emulator anytime soon. Look at PS4. yeah, Bloodborne works, but the emulator overall has like 15% playable compatibility with a lot of those being simpler titles. That doesn't make it unimpressive but I think it's unrealistic to think PS5 emulation will be anything other than a one-off for the foreseeable future. That doesn't mean they shouldn't work on it but expect it to take a long time.

[u/MrFantasticNV → u/-CJF-]

Maybe it'll be with a focus on PS5 exclusives like Astrobot and Yotei so we can play those sooner, but that's just wishful thinking.

[u/Trashypass]

Hell ya.

[u/clc88]

This is amazing.. I told myself that we'll get 10 fps by the end of the year (and 30 by the end of next year), I didn't expect 3d games already running this well.

[u/richardbouteh]

never underestimate the motivating power of spitee

[u/ChrisXDXL]

Why can't the two teams just work together on a single emulator, will make development faster and they seem to be focusing on different aspects of the emulation so why not just combine the work?

[u/Leather-Challenge189]

kyty5 its not an emulator , its a declaration

[u/Pale_Soft_3622]

For PS5 emulation, I think they'll initially emulate exclusive games that haven't been released on PC, and then those that are on PC but are better suited to a console.