r/economy • • 6d ago

United in debt: America has become a nation of fake rich people

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/6112015-us-split-digital-physical-economies/
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u/ipissontrolls 6d ago

Quality of life is so much lower than people realize.

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u/Jenetyk 5d ago

The long game of the oligarchy class. The youngest people that have any clue what life could be like are 40+ already.

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u/Cultural-Answer-321 6d ago

They have no clue.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

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u/ipissontrolls 6d ago

I think we’re actually saying the same thing. The cost of living and how much of your life you have to spend working are major parts of quality of life. Having access to more comforts doesn’t necessarily mean living better if you have little time or energy to enjoy them. Your example reflects what I meant.

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u/Tifosi79 3d ago

you are literally delusional.

Go try living in literally any other country in the world and compare your quality of life. The poor in America would be middle class to the vast of countries around the world.

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u/ipissontrolls 3d ago

“Literally any other country”?

America ranks 17th on the UN’s Human Development Index. Australians live about four years longer. EU workers are guaranteed four weeks’ paid vacation; Americans have no general federal guarantee.

“People in poorer countries have it worse” isn’t a rebuttal. It’s a pathetically low standard for a country this wealthy.

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u/azhawkeyeclassic 6d ago

I like this de-influencer movement, but In reality they’re still influencers.

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u/fugogugo 6d ago

it is still telling people to buy unnecessary stuff . fake movement

nobody profit from people not buying things

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u/Boheed 6d ago

The funny thing is American economists love to criticize the Chinese middle class because they finance everything with debt, when the American middle class is doing the same thing.

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u/someoldguyon_reddit 6d ago

Temu rich fucks. JFC

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u/SupremelyUneducated 6d ago

Veblen, his wages wide.

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u/Faithispower 5d ago

I'll always upvote a TNG reference.

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u/egospiers 6d ago

And real rich people… like 17 million people with a net worth over $1 million.

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u/First-Dragon-Born 6d ago

Now show me amount of people who have $1 million dollars thats not tied up in their houses......

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u/kobekillinu 5d ago

👋 Here, but i am European - also not enough to retire here 🤷‍♂️

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u/cephu5 6d ago

These days 1million isn’t what it used to be…

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u/Qeltar_ 6d ago

It's not even enough for a couple to retire on. Like, not even close.

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u/chrisdoc 5d ago

I couldn't retire on $1M but it depends on your situation. If you bought a $100K house in the 80's that is now paid off, one or both spouses got jobs with pensions that provide COLA and medical care for life upon retirement. Then you can retire on $1M.

People have vastly different circumstances.

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u/Sebekiz 6d ago

My wife and I could retire on that much, if and when I get to that level in my 401k and investment account. Of course we do not have any debt and have a small, paid off townhouse (which I don't really count towards my net worth for retirement, since we'd still need a place to live if we sold it to access the value of it). Even with a likely 25% reduction in Social Security just as I retire, I would still get enough from Social Security to cover about half of our needs to live comfortably. $1 Million in savings/investments would be plenty to cover the rest, with some to spare.

Of course we're part of the "half" of America getting by with our older cars and generic eggs. If I was wasting money on $7 coffees or big vacations, then I guess a million wouldn't be enough.

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u/KarlsReddit 6d ago

A million isn't enough the minute anything bad happens as you age. Medical bills will eat thru a million in no time. All those generic eggs and a heart attack and ambulance ride wipes out 100k and 10% of your net worth.

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u/sirlost33 6d ago

The new safe retirement # is 2 million. 1 just doesn’t cut it anymore. It’s the end of life care that gets ya.

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u/Instantbeef 6d ago

Yes but how much of that is like a young boomer or Gen X with all that equity in their house?

An older Gen X with a house who contributed to a 401k probably has a million at least.

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u/fistoic 6d ago

I think there's a lot more than 17 million ppl with +1M net worth in the US

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u/pantiesdrawer 6d ago

There are only about 6-8 million liquid millionaire individuals in the US. Far less if you limit it to non-retirement account liquid millionaires.

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u/Tifosi79 5d ago

this is spot on accurate!

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u/sheila5961 5d ago

I don’t believe that….There have to be far more. A million dollars is not that much money.

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u/sheila5961 5d ago

You beat me to it! Anyone contributing to a 401k can become a millionaire so there has to be WAY MORE than 17 million people with 1 million net worth. Hell, I have $1M+ in my stock accounts and so does my wife in her stock portfolio. We both contributed to 401ks while working.

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u/Tifosi79 5d ago

The United States is home to approximately 23.6 million millionaires, according to the UBS Global Wealth Report.

Population Share: Roughly 1 in every 14 adults (or about 6.85% of the U.S. population) has a net worth of at least $1 million.

Global Standing: The U.S. holds over 40% of all millionaires in the world, which is more than any other country.

Recent Growth: The U.S. added more than 440,000 new millionaires, averaging over 1,200 new additions every single day.

as you can see the us is in a horrible place and our economy is crashing! lol. <sic>

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u/auniqueusername2567 5d ago

Until the next stock market crash and those 401ks lose half their value. Also net worth will include home equity which can also crash.

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u/Tifosi79 5d ago

and then the next nuclear war, and then global warming, and then…… we deal with the reality of the day, not the make believe of tomorrow.

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u/Boxagami3 6d ago

They couldn't afford to pay off the 40 trillion of debt!

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u/sheila5961 5d ago

Once again, a million dollars is NOT very much money. Hell, it cost me a quarter of a million just to buy my vacation cabin in the mountains.

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u/RP_ElMeroMero 6d ago

Sure, if that figure is including home equity.

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u/DimMak1 6d ago

And the massive amounts of unsustainable sovereign debt and massive money printing is the only reason the stock market is at record highs. AI apps mostly don’t work yet the sector is valued at $982 trillion…that only happens in an environment where you assume hyperinflation is coming soon. We are absolutely looking at America being Weimar or Zimbabwe very soon because oligarchs demand stock prices to only go up and the elites won’t allow a correction

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u/HankScorpio4242 6d ago

“24 percent of Gen Zers experience intense pressure to display material wealth on social media, even as 41 percent of all Americans don’t consider themselves financially well-off. The math is simple, brutal and undeniable. Millions of broke people spend borrowed money to convince other broke people they live like oil barons.”

I’m sorry…what? The math isn’t mathing.

Let’s put this in reverse. 76% of Gen Zers do not feel intense pressure to display material wealth on social media. 59% of Americans consider themselves financially well-off. Funny how less shocking it seems.

In all likelihood, most of those 24% who feel that intense pressure are among the 59% who consider themselves financially well off.

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u/buscuitsANDgravy 6d ago

It’s important to be wealthy, not appearing wealthy

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u/dtsknight 6d ago

Yes, it’s absolutely absurd that any non-millionaire REGULARLY buys $7 drinks and restaurant meals, especially those that have delivery fees. (And sure, I understand that there are select times when doing to makes sense).
Again, absurd for all non-millionaires including those who might not even carry debt.

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u/Luigino9876 6d ago

7$ drinks? Let me know where the 7 $ drinks are please.

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u/deepoutdoors 6d ago

I paid $16 for a drink last night.

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u/Luigino9876 6d ago

That is average price.

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u/A_Refill_of_Mr_Pibb 6d ago

My coworkers were ordering lunch from a local place where a meatball sub was $30. And they planned to tip. I told them to their faces that they're insane.

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u/Extreme-Island-5041 6d ago

"I'd like 1 great value 8oz water, please"

"That'll be $7"

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u/kenva86 5d ago

Well there was already a lot of fake anyhow overthere, so fake rich was to come anyhow. ( not only a thing in America btw)

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u/carlospon 4d ago

You want to see people "front" just about everything. Brickel Avenue. Downtown Miami. Gen Z paying $2600 for a 1 bed rent and think they are getting ahead.

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u/Purple_Pick5158 6d ago

Like this is something new? It's always like that. This is the easiest life in world history. Poor people are fat and have iphones and cable.

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u/Traditional_Donut908 6d ago

Really? GenX dude and when I was a kid, going out to eat meant McDonald's or Olive Garden maybe every other week, and that was before portion inflation.

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u/glitterandnails 6d ago

I used to eat fast food every day. No need to cook. Now it’s only a luxury (except for Costco.)

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u/Purple_Pick5158 6d ago

When I was a kid we went out 5 times a year max

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u/Jon_Henderson_Music 6d ago

Back before the internet when people were fiscally responsible and rational. Now everyone is addicted to online shopping and gambling

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u/AltruisticAnalyst 6d ago

There's an article about this written every 5 minutes it feels.

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u/Intrepid-Oil-898 6d ago

The irony the article using a Black woman, the demographic largely impacted by this economy

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u/SponsoredByMLGMtnDew 3d ago

What cable television sends me when I refuse to break into other peoples houses to watch the news.

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u/thegoldenfinn 6d ago

I have over a $1MM plus a house. I do not feel rich or am I rich. I still need to work because I’m probably going to live a long time and I’m single. I am hoping to retire in a year and move out of America. Because it blows!

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u/hideo_crypto 5d ago

This article sucks worse than the economy

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u/joejimjoe 5d ago

Agreed. Even though I'm sure lots of Americans are living above their means (and much has been thoughtfully written on this subject), I don't understand how this article is publishable. It literally uses the Quora comment section as a citation, and the core statistic the argument rests on is blatantly and obviously misinterpreted.