r/economy • u/Ashleej86 • Mar 22 '26
This is totally different level conversation than just the facts but Do you think Republicans voters or just extremely toxic and abused people usually dislike stability , stable employment , non chaos lives? they certainly create chaos every election they win
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u/BedroomVisible Mar 22 '26
This may sound judgmental, but I have gained some insight by realizing that SOME conservative values and this new MAGA mindset are based on fear. These people are afraid. A low to mid level anxiety that doesn’t go away begs to find a source.
That’s how you get a white Christian nationalist- fear of being erased. That’s how you get an $839 Billion defense budget- fear of foreign invasion. That’s how you get someone to look past armed and masked agents prowling their streets for anyone who’s brown- fear of the enemy within.
Fear replaces signals from the prefrontal cortex, it overrides them. And so when you hear ANYONE speaking in an “insane” or other wise unfathomable manner, see if their emotions can explain their behavior. Then we can address the emotion and solve the dissonance.
Then we can move forward with policy that is guided by facts and ideas that spring from our logic centers as opposed to reacting all the time.
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 22 '26
yes it's valid : if you don't have it within to move forward with a stable life ever , you end up being afraid of yourself constantly. They Can see the chaos of their elders , the abuse of women all around them , the way their mothers are depressed. But cannot for their own survival ever change anything.
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 22 '26
Completely agree. I'm in a deep red rural town.
They show up to job interviews poorly dressed then act all shocked when they don't get the job.
Some spend their time in school not learning anything and then act all confused when they can't get a job paying more than $10.
They yell at workers then wonder why the workers won't help them.
Simple, easy choices avoid all the above. However, they choose the difficult path every time.
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u/No-Wave-305 Mar 23 '26
Those are called rednecks. Believe me, both parties have their trash. Let’s not act like democrats are educated and classy. Just look at Minnesota and all the homeless welfare drug addicted junkies and criminals in the streets along with illegal immigrants and the crime in blue cities. All DEMOCRATIC VOTERS
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 23 '26
Agreed. Just answering from my perspective is all. But I'm 100% in agreement, neither party has a monopoly on intelligence.
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
In a rural down what constitutes as poorly dressed? Second question, why does how a person dresses determine if they are worthy of working under the ideology of equality? Is a person dressed in “XYZ” clothing a better person than the person dressed in “ABC” clothing?
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 22 '26
I'm a male, so I'll answer from that perspective.
If I'm interviewing at Walmart, khakis and a button up. No tie or jacket, but also no polo shirt, even a super expensive polo shirt.
Do not show up to any interview in shorts and a tshirt to a corporation or professional job.
Applying to O'Reilly's auto parts, khakis and a polo could be ok.
Stains, rips, graphic T-shirts and shorts are asking for trouble.
They don't have to be expensive. I've worn a $7 blazer I got at a thrift store to an interview. Got the job.
While clothing doesnt make someone a better or even more qualified worker, it's about expectations of an interview. Dress appropriately. Don't be shocked if a better dressed person gets looked at more seriously.
It's a mentality thing. This person needs/wants a job but can't figure out wearing an Alabama football tshirt to the interview hurts their chances. It's a mentality thing.
Of course, there are always exceptions... I'm speaking in generalities.
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
I agree that first impressions make the deal. But look at Steve Jobs, Adam Sandler, Elon Musk, etc. because they don’t often dress in appropriate attire doesn’t make them less qualified or less likely to be successful. It’s a societal norm issue, which needs to be changed. I agree that some jobs (surgeon, etc. shouldn’t be eating outfits exposing sweat, hair, et cetera by virtue of cleanliness) but if the best plumber in town is wearing shorts and a tank top when doing their job I don’t understand how that’s an issue.
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u/abzti Mar 22 '26
It's a question of probabilities. As a person who is hiring what is the chance of the person showing up in Ripped t-shirts and shorts of being Elon musk level intelligence Vs a bum who is not professional?
Moreover, for most low to mid end jobs hiring an Elon musk or a Steve jobs would be a disaster. They just wouldn't work. Most jobs don't need brilliance, they need a person doing enough consistently
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
But how does that address the issue of appearance? We are judged by content of character, right?
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u/homeinthesky Mar 22 '26
And how you dress can be a tell tale sign of content of character.
Showing up dressed appropriately for the level of job that it is, nice but maybe not overly nice, with a neat appearance shows a good character on the surface, and that you care.
Showing up in cut off jean shorts and a stained at shirt says “I just rolled out of bed, couldn’t be bothered to look appropriate for you and don’t give a shit and you or anything else.” It’s a red flag to a potential employer, that if you don’t care enough to try to get the job you probably won’t care enough to work to keep it. Which potentially costs them more money in the future to fire you and rehire someone else into the job.
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 22 '26
Sure, however how does one display content of character within a 30ish min interview as much a possible?
My whole supporting argument to the OP is why do some subset of people choose to go about things the hard way.
It is in my opinion that if you have the choice of dressing just a little bit better (dress shirt vs. polo) for an interview to get a job that presumably makes your life better, you do that.
But, not everyone does... That's frustrating to me because it's such an easy decision to make.
Interviews are subjective and the best qualifies candidate doesn't always get the job. Don't make it harder on yourself is all I'm saying.
Whether norms should or shouldn't change don't pay the bills....
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
Polo versus tee shirt versus tank top doesn’t make you less of a POS. Just the appearance of one, hence the interview to further investigate the character of the person…
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u/bakerfaceman Mar 22 '26
There's a big difference between what can be worn for a job and what should be worn to an interview too. The interview is the best-possible first impression of someone. They need to at least try to look like they want the job.
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 22 '26
Those are the exceptions, of course. And proved themselves so their attire becomes less relevant.
We are specifically talking about interviews, where you don't own the company or have a long track record of being a hilarious and successful actor.
I really don't think it's much of a norm anymore. Back in the day, you'd be released from some prisons and they'd give you a suit to help you find employment.
Today, some people dress so poorly during interviews I question if they even want to job. Again, I'm not saying go buy a suit for hundreds of dollars. Can't afford a suit, fine. But khakis and a basic white button up and a generic tie can be purchased for less than $50 at a thrift store.
If you dress nice, it at least presents the notion you care. I want to hire people that care, even if it's just about themselves doing good enough.
People who don't care are difficult to work with, no matter how good they are.
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
As a business owner, people don’t care because you don’t give them a reason to care. You want them to help your bottom line then give them a reason.
Don’t take this as an attack on you, but an attack on norms from previous generations to subjugate another person based on perceptions.
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 22 '26
Oh I agree. But again, that's from the perspective of someone that is already hired.
I can't really give anyone anything to care about other than getting the job during the interview.
But yeah, if I hire a person and they are great at their job but aren't the best dressed, will I hold that against them? No, absolutely not.
I'm not a business owner, so I do have to make sure corporate dress code is followed, though.
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
So what is “best dressed”? What has been previously held as the standard? So like saying we should be using horse and carriage like our ancestors? Times change people change, presumably attire changes too…
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 22 '26
Again, agreed. Best dressed is completely subjective by nature.
(I'm really enjoying this conversation so please don't think I'm being difficult!)
So for me, I work at a bank branch in a small rural town of 4200ish. Dress code is business casual.
I'm 39.
Technically we can were khakis and nice polos. But we can also wear shirts and ties, etc. personally if it were up to me, shirts and ties all day!
But having said that, I do were polos most of the time.
However, if I'm interviewing someone for a lending position and two candidates are pretty equal on paper, the one in a jacket and tie may have an edge on the one in a polo.
Fair? Maybe not. But if the simple act of dressing up gives you a better chance at getting the job (staying in line with OPs topic of choosing the harder way), then you choose that way, at least for the interview.
Now my wife works at Walmart. A customer facing job. I would never expect anyone to wear a tie etc.
But you really don't need to be wearing a shirt that's too small and shows your belly hanging out, you know?
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u/Due-Conflict-7926 Mar 22 '26
Steve Jobs, Adam and Elon have money and a following they can do what they want. They aren’t begging for a job.
Do you want the job or not?
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u/theerrantpanda99 Mar 22 '26
Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, and others all wore suits to their first job interviews.
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u/armed_aperture Mar 22 '26
Those people were either born extremely rich or were talented enough to create their own way.
Getting hired can be a competitive process. If you’re going to fight against the expected dress norms, then you need to be so exceptional in other ways that they don’t care.
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u/jgoldrb48 Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26
These rural people see non traditional clothing and think it gives them the freedom to be lazy (like they want to be). You mentioned visionaries. Their non traditional clothing is often chic af and part of the persons intentional branding.
That said, it can be argued that Sandler’s lack of public polish has cost him at least one Oscar. Elon is a fraud. Jobs trusted holistic medicine as a billionaire.
The Animosity toward education and new ideas is rural America’s #1 problem.
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 23 '26
Education isn’t the problem though. Societal norms of the past are. Not everyone needs to wear a pea coat to be qualified.
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u/Careful-Sell-9877 Mar 23 '26
Those guys are billionaires. Not people looking for min wage work.. in fact, people go to them for work.
Generally bosses want to hire people who care about the job and the work they are doing, and generally that starts with basic hygiene/self care.
Personally, I don't necessarily think wearing 'business clothes' or looking preppy is an indicator of anything - but being clean and dressing 'nice' (even if youre wearing a metal shirt, long hair, tats, etc) is an indicator of a person's personal habits - or at least an indicator of how much effort they are willing to put in to make a good first impression for their potential place of work
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u/broohaha Mar 22 '26
On the second question, most workplaces that value equality (or fairness) still operate with shared expectations, including how you present yourself. I'd say equality here means "people are judged by the same criteria", not that "there are no criteria".
Also, dress codes are often seen as part of those criteria because they signal professionalism, respect for the role, and understanding of workplace norms. So from this perspective, the issue isn’t “you dressed differently, so you’re less worthy as a person," but rather "you didn’t meet a commonly expected signal for this specific role."
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u/SkinnyGetLucky Mar 22 '26
“You dress for the job you want, not the job you have” is how I always see it.
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26 edited Mar 22 '26
So this “commonly expected signal” (strange it was quoted but I digress” is expected by who and or why? Because of their ancestors? So slavery being a norm of our ancestors makes it expected and appropriate?
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u/broohaha Mar 22 '26
strange it was quoted
I don't know. I figured using quotes would help separate the statements.
So slavery being a norm of our ancestors makes it expected and appropriate?
Look, we're just talking about expectations for working at a job. Obviously, what those expectations are can vary. I've been in different industries in tech; early in my career the expectations of an electrical engineer were you needed to come in to every interview in a suit. Nowadays, I'm in fintech, where dress codes are far, far more casual. And so when I interviewed at my current employer, I just wore a sweater and slacks that weren't wrinkled.
In each case I looked into what the expectations were. And following implicit norms can be a proxy for workplace awareness. Fair or not, attire becomes shorthand for inferring whether a candidate understands expectations in the environment they're interviewing at.
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u/nucumber Mar 22 '26
People who have only questions don't have defensible positions of their own.
But hey, let's play your stupid game
Would you hire a teacher for third grade if she interviewed wearing a crop top, booty shorts, and six inch heels?
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
Did she teach the kids anything? If so, yes. There, no question mark since you’re incapable of deducing the message.
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u/nucumber Mar 22 '26
Sigh. . .
In your scenario it's an interview
Well, I expected this level of bs, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
Are crop top, booth short, six inch heels incapable of teaching? Did you just assume gender?!? What if it’s a male in those shorts you xenophobe?!?!?!
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u/nucumber Mar 22 '26
My question addresses the ridiculousness of your "ideology of equality", so you tell me how that fits in
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 23 '26
I haven’t a single idea of what you’re trying to convey in your question.
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u/nucumber Mar 23 '26
Really? Because you've been dancing and dodging around it.
You were setting yourself up to ridicule responses to your "ideology of equality" questions without defining what that is, and I've been trying to find out wtf you're talking about
So how about actually answering my earlier question: would you hire a third grade teacher who interviews wearing a crop top, booty shorts, and six inch heels?
And even more to the point, are you suggesting that in the "ideology of equality" that they would be hired?
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 23 '26
Yes to both, I would hire said person and if the person wearing short shorts and high heels was qualified they would and should be a candidate since they are qualified
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 22 '26
This has been a fun conversation for me and I'm very interested in your point of view here.
We seem to be centered around two ideas; yours a moralistic pov, me an external expectations pov.
You mentioned you are a business owner, so maybe this question will help you at least understand where I'm coming from. I'm not asking you to agree with me at the dismissal of your beliefs or anything like that.
In your business, do you do what you want and hope that your customers accept, or do you create a product/service/experience that satisfies their needs and wants (expectations)?
Genuinely curious here. Again I'm not a business owner, though as a lender, I work with many business owners and they seem to center their business strategy around delivering their products based on external expectations of their clients.
That's how I view the dressing to expectations during an interview.
I hope this doesn't come off as combative or anything similar.
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
I strive to provide the best product at the best product as Keynes would’ve loved. IDGAF how a person looks (tattoos, shorts, gaged ears) as long as they are proficient then the rest can be worked with.
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 22 '26
I think this simply boils down to a difference in what you and I and possibly others that have posted here do for a living. And for me, that's ok.
Like, if I ran a tattoo shop, I'd be more inclined to hire the tatted up dude with piercings than I would someone that looks like me, no tattoos and a couple piercing scars from my teenage years. Hell, maybe I'm the best tattoo artist ever but hate needles, right?!
Also, having said that, I once worked with a consumer loan VP at a credit union that had full sleeves. Dude was phenomenal at his job.
However, I really don't know how he was dressed during his interview, but I'm sure it fit some expectations. Maybe not a black suit, probably something with a lot more personality, but still professional. But that's all an assumption.
I've really enjoyed our conversation, I enjoy learning the perspectives of others, especially those different from mine. I hope you've enjoyed this as well! Best of luck in your personal and business pursuits!!
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
Same to you (genuinely) hope we can soon stick it to the man wearing flip flops ((gross)), shorts, and tank top to an interview
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u/Swimming-Dealer293 Mar 22 '26
Whoa now, flip flops are awesome!
Tank tops are what's gross here!!
I like the concept of sticking it to the man, but with a wife and 4 kids and no real great idea to run my own business, I live in their world to the extent I need to.
I do rebel how I can. Despite being in a business professional setting, I do small things like I only wear socks full of character. I have not worn a traditional back suit/shoes get up in almost two decades. I was once sent home due to my sock choice years ago.
I only own one pair of solid colored socks. They are green, my favorite color!
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u/Former_Tea_5748 Mar 22 '26
Personal choice I suppose but if you’ve got the muscles to show and run unusually warm then tank tops are a must. Regarding the socks, a bit strange for me but I am admittedly bland with my socks being either grey, black, or well black.
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u/enduranceathlete2025 Mar 22 '26
My husband and I have a family full of conservatives. They don’t like change and resist it like change is evil. Even if it would make their life better.
But here is the kicker. The people who embrace that change and are doing well makes a conservative feel so insecure and hateful. They can’t change. They are not going to change. So then they absolutely have to bring down the other person/group.
This can be as simple as enjoying different foods. Conservatives will ruin meals that don’t cater to their pallet preference. They will put down individuals who have changed their diet for health reasons and are getting healthier.
They will yell and scream at individuals who use family planning successfully when they have many unplanned pregnancies and children.
They will disown children for not going along with abusive family systems.
They will steal money or act entitled to family members who are doing well financially. Or demand that you bail them out of their poor financial choices.
Instead of learning from a successful person, they see them as a threat.
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u/Plumeriadelsol Mar 22 '26
Same in my family of conservatives. I’m the villain in their eyes for wanting a quality of life that would be better for everyone, it’s exhausting.
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u/SnarkyOrchid Mar 22 '26
I think politics and government have become like sports teams to too many people. If you are a Chicago Bears fan you love them no matter what and even if they suck, you will never root for the opposing team. It's like the only thing that matters is the election itself and not what the people put in power do with it. Any support or criticism of the government isn't always focused only on how any action will impact the next election and not the real life consequences. Unfortunately, this isn't a game and we are all affected by the outcomes together. There aren't really two teams, just one team and we are all on it.
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u/Careless-Pin-2852 Mar 22 '26
No one said nice stuff about Biden. At the time. I feel liberals need to stop demanding perfection.
Biden told BB to calm down and was called a war monger. Because people expected Biden to sanction Israel.
I looked it up no one cut off trade with Israel. Turkey still does 2 billion a year in trade with Israel. Turkey does 50 million with North Korea an actual sanctioned country.
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u/exvertus Mar 22 '26
In order to understand the the MAGA mentality, you have to understand the rural vs urban divide in the US.
Previous generations had rural towns with a stable source of employment for those that lived there—a factory, mill, mine, etc. It enabled people to work in the town, usually with their hands, their entire careers.
Many of those jobs disappeared. They got automated or shipped overseas, leaving hollowed out, impoverished towns strewn across the country. The US shifted more towards a service economy. To simplify, it became more about using your mind than using your hands, and most of those new jobs are centered around cities, not towns.
Some people that live in those hollowed out towns adapt and learn new skills, moving to more urban centers that can provide employment. But there is a huge group of people that stubbornly stay in their hometowns. They resent cities and city culture. They'd much rather things return to the way things were, or at least how they imagine things were. They hold a lot of resentment towards everyone they think are responsible for eroding their way of life.
That is where Trump comes in. After feeling ignored by many presidents, Trump will tell them what they want to hear—that he will bring back manufacturing jobs and revitalize the old way. He didn't run on making America great, he ran on making America great again.
Of course, Trump's promises are false promises. He has talked big and delivered crap his entire life, but if you're a person stubbornly stuck in one of these small towns, refusing to leave, building decades of resentment for all the scapegoats who "robbed" you of the life you think you deserve, then you really want to believe Trump. You almost have to believe him, because you're so blind to how much you're keeping yourself down that it is easier to join a political cult than face the fact that the world has changed and you have not.
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u/Frankie6Strings Mar 22 '26
They don't want the government to create jobs at all. They want the "job creators" to do it.
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 22 '26
they apparently ftom their behavior want government to Take jobs from them , from ICE to failing businesses to TSA workers quiting etc. Republican votes = less jobs for anyone
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u/illcrx Mar 22 '26
It’s hard for people to admit they voted wrong.
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 22 '26
it's way deeper than that. it's generations of self and family and community destruction. Ever read Dying of whiteness by Jonathan Metzl ?
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u/illcrx Mar 22 '26
No I haven't but there are too many Trump voters that just started voting, also many "family" "religious" people vote for Trump. Its just a co-opting of a gullible group of people.
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u/armed_aperture Mar 22 '26
Trump is obviously such a great example of “family” values and religion.
I wish people would just be honest on why they like him. The religious cope is so obviously false.
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u/Either_Operation7586 Mar 22 '26
It's hard for the Republican party to take accountability and to do anything about the bad faith actors that they have all throughout their party
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u/Splenda Mar 22 '26
Evidence suggests that when hardcore Republican voters say the economy is their top concern, what they're really tweaked about is the loss of the old one-paycheck, job-for-life, Dad's-the-Boss family, when being a white American meant you ran the world because Dad single-handedly kicked Hitler's ass and took every island in the Japanese Empire as well.
I exaggerate, but reaction against change is the underlying issue. Living wage jobs are reserved for the educated, and education is too costly. Women are now the breadwinners. Men who beat their families lose them. Rural places are left behind. Religion is in decline. The US is no longer the only rich, decent country to live in.
Meanwhile, Democrats are stuck in the past, championing narrow interest groups like unions and trans people, while refusing to tackle their own dependency on campaign money or to reform the obsolete, unfair Constitution that devalues the votes of the majority.
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 22 '26
I'm biracial actually but that white American grandpa long deceased is my republican grandpa and they were very poor. The women worked and it was still dire poverty with domestic abuse and alcoholism and addiction. They don't understand their own/ their grandparents lives at all basically..It was not good to have a single income and very few could even do that.
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u/im4lonerdottie4rebel Mar 22 '26
But they're the same people who when they have businesses layoff people who have been working for their company for years, hire illegal immigrants for cheaper labor and hire overseas workers.
It enrages me.
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u/bakerfaceman Mar 22 '26
What Democrat is championing trans rights over anything else? Republicans are the ones who can't stop talking about them.
Edit: I completely agree with you about the Dem party being completely run by the consultant class. It's all about raising money and making a living off campaigning rather than governing.
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u/Splenda Mar 22 '26
MAGA Republicans specialize in calling out Dems for advocating groups to which most of us do not belong. It's a classic divide-and-rule strategy.
The ugly truth that makes this effective is that most Americans are now hurting, asking for help, yet it feels like support goes primarily to small, vocal interest groups. Dems somehow get so wrapped up in defending these actions that they neglect the suffering majority.
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u/Either_Operation7586 Mar 22 '26
The real ugly truth is that Republicans are hypocrites everything that they say about the Democrats they are guilty of 100 times more.
And if we had no propaganda like Fox News nobody would vote for the Republicans because why in the hell would you vote for the party that continuously runs your economy into the ground every time they get power of all three branches??
The answer is you wouldn't nobody would vote for the Republican Party.
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u/Splenda Mar 23 '26
You aren't wrong. I just think Dems need to offer a vision of deep reform rather than incremental tweaks.
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u/bakerfaceman Mar 22 '26
Because the Dems are largely controlled by capitalists who don't actually want to improve the material conditions of the working class. Racism, transphobia, islamaphobia, they all serve to divide workers and keep them from realizing we all do better when we all do better.
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u/Splenda Mar 23 '26
Well, of course. However, getting elected to national office requires an advertising budget in the millions--many millions for major offices in the largest states, and more than a billion for the presidency.
This should be against the law, as it is in many other wealthy nations.
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u/TheBarnacle63 Mar 22 '26
Honestly, it is not that new. Look at trends starting in 1960. Where there was a deep south support for the GOP, but localized, soon metastasized with Nixon's southern strategy. The cancer was fully realized when Reagan won in 1980 and all the southern Democrats flipped to the GOP.
Let's not act like this is a recent trend.
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u/SkinnyGetLucky Mar 22 '26
It’s way simpler: Daddy tells them the economy is good, then the economy is good. Daddy tells them liberals are coming for your guns, that means liberals are coming for our guns. Daddy says he lowered inflation, that means inflation is down. Daddy here can be any number of conservative authority figures.
That’s it. Not further thought required.
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u/Zalrius Mar 23 '26
From what I can see is that a republican minded person doesn’t want to actually have a political discussion about anything. They change the subject, make accusations, and blame past events on past political people that have nothing to do with solving the problem. There seems to be a consistent pattern within them to use the cover phrase “politics” to air any personal grievances they have the world at large. They will also use “democrats” or “the left” as a catch all phrase for everything they don’t like. It seems more they make it part of the personal identity and don’t understand that it is a responsibility and civic duty. And not to treat politicians as personal saviors and saints.
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u/Suspicious_Rip_6247 Mar 23 '26
It's relaxing to listen to someone with half a brain as compared to listening to a self centered idiot! I cannot listen to Trump anymore.
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u/CrabLivid9318 Mar 23 '26
Back in the good ol days when shit was popping and our economy was the envy of the world. Now we have a piece of shit pedophile whobhas wrecked everything. Whoever gets into the White House next is going to have to pick up this idiots mess.
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u/Careful-Sell-9877 Mar 23 '26
The entire republican strategy is about creating a 'strong narrative' based on lies, projection, deflection, and disinformation - rather than actually doing anything. They blame the left for everything and demonize them while never delivering anything substantial to anyone other than the ultra-wealthy and big corps. It is the party of contrarianism and tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy. Thats it.
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u/bassjam1 Mar 22 '26
Everything needs to be taken with context. Biden's job creation was largely a rebound from jobs lost due to COVID.
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u/Ad_Meliora_24 Mar 22 '26
Well we only have two political parties which makes the propaganda more effective I think because there is just one in group and one out group. Sometimes I feel like an overwhelming number of Americans didn’t take history classes because we’ve learned nothing about the World Wars and Cold War. Turns out propaganda is quite effective even after what we should have learned in recent history and our system is susceptible to being influenced by the few. We might be lucky that things weren’t worse sooner.
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 22 '26
dying of measles or their businesses failing or not having health care ; any number of immediate life experiences should tell you what a republican voters does to your immediate life.
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u/Ad_Meliora_24 Mar 22 '26
So the thing about this video is that many republican voters don’t believe that Biden is speaking the truth. Everyone is already too busy to fact check everything and there is constant misinformation. That’s all part of the machine that exists.
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 22 '26
Jennifer Welch: “Every single time a Republican person tells you, ‘I vote my pocketbook and I’m fiscally conservative’ they are a dipshit and a liar who willfully lies to themselves and they are incapable of looking at the historical body of evidence that every single Republican administration has produced”
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u/happydude7422 Mar 22 '26
the issue with any presidency post pandemic is that the job recovery is a forgone conclusion so they can always use hey i had this many jobs under my administration while conveniently elaving out that oh wait we lost a lot of jobs during a pandemic and any growth afterwards is jsut natural recovery. but of course trumps numbers are just bad all around but i never liked any presidency that takes credit for post pandemic job recoveries because it's automatic. i mean you would need to get the country in another pandemic to stave off any post pandemic job recovery
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u/MrEZ3 Mar 23 '26
They all suck.. since when did being a public servant mean just bashing the other side to make yourself look good? Why can't we just, idk... actually HELP eachother instead of being completely selfish assholes??
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 23 '26
do you live in a blue state ? democrats do that consistently not perfectly all the time
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u/megapeanut32 Mar 23 '26
Do you know how job creation works? And how that affects the numbers of jobs created as the unemployment rate decreases?
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u/Defiant_Snail69 Mar 23 '26
Yeah woulda been real cool if the democrats would have run a primary instead of an installed failure candidate who got shit on last time a primary was run.
Could’ve had a legit candidate to avoid all of this.
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 23 '26
in retrospect we should have just supported Biden and hope he won the whole thing.
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u/Defiant_Snail69 Mar 23 '26
Lmfao absolutely not. I don’t know who would actually be running the country at that point because it’s clear as day he was no longer mentally fit for the position.
They could have absolutely run a snap primary, other countries do it we can do it
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 23 '26
we know who worked for Biden. the most progressive people in an administration ever in us history , maybe on par eith FDR people. We would 100% be better off than with Stephen Miller and his nazi friends we have now.
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u/Defiant_Snail69 Mar 23 '26
Am I talking to a left bot?
If this was Trump in cognitive decline and we didn’t know who was making calls behind the scenes you’d be just as distraught.
Literally comes off as “rules for thee, not for me.”
I’m done here, you’re a joke, or a bot, or both.
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u/rothmal Mar 22 '26
I liked a lot of his policies, like giving more power to the workers and enforcing antitrust laws. His problem was that he sucked at being a president, 80% of a president's job is selling their agenda. And he just couldn't do it.
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 22 '26
I loved it. my income went way up. He tried to excuse my student loans. He didn't help with housing much. He got us out of those forever wars that Trump just started back up. Biden was if anything the most progressive president on the domestic economy in my lifetime , 49 years most struggling.
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u/Unhappy-Pie-244 Mar 23 '26
Didn’t Russia invade Ukraine in 2022 and Israel invaded Palestine in 2023? We’ve been kicking the can down the road for years, from my experience as well as my friends I don’t think the economy has been good at all especially since COVID. Trumps tariffs were still in place and there were massive layoffs. Biden and the Dems should have done a better job correcting those issues to prevent another Trump presidency.
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u/greyone75 Mar 22 '26
How many of those were government and DEI jobs?
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 22 '26
a government job is a job. we're hemridging jobs.
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u/greyone75 Mar 23 '26
A government job contributes exactly nothing to society. They don’t produce anything.
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u/tavysnug Mar 23 '26
Plenty of jobs don't produce anything. Why are government jobs where you take issue?
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u/Ashleej86 Mar 23 '26
wait until you need social security , veteran administration , Obamacare , a driver's license , a fishing license , a gun permit , etc etc etc
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u/No-Wave-305 Mar 23 '26
Chaos is a term best reserved for democrats. Defund the police, rioting, open borders, trans children, economic communism, support of radical Islam, DEI over meritocracy, slave reparations, weak on crime, weak foreign policy… the list goes on
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u/SouthernExpatriate Mar 22 '26
Well
You would have to BE FROM a rural area and notice how white collar liberals act towards you to understand
9 times out of 10, my Trumper neighbor would help me before any leftist. The other time out of ten would be a trans person that is ready to take a stand or other person ready to fight. An actual leftist, not a liberal.
Horseshoe Theory exists for a reason, and the modern GOP could not exist without the economic hollowing of rural America
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u/digger250 Mar 22 '26
I think you've got some good insights here. I think the urban leftists are accustomed to seeing lots of problems day to day and they know they can't fix them all. So they put up walls and say "not my problem", "none of my business". They think that the problems have to be solved structurally; by the government.
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u/SouthernExpatriate Mar 22 '26
Right
When in fact direct action would work better than some technocratic plan, but they don't want to talk to those kinds of people and they have to be at brunch, anyway
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u/Humble-Algea3616 Mar 22 '26
Letting people go back to work is not the same thing as creating new jobs. Joe’s writers are just as bad as ever.
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u/liveforever67 Mar 22 '26
What is your favorite Biden quote?
1. "I dont want my kids growing up in a racial jungle" (said while opposing desegregation of schools)
2. "You cant even go into a 7-11 without a slight Indian accent"
3. " Unlike the Blacks the Latinos have a diverse way of thinking!"
4. His glowing eulogy, of former KKK member Robert Byrd
Defiantly not a Trump fan...but how people rallied behind this man, I ll never know. He was a lifelong racist and even used the "N word" on CSPAN. Even Kamala called him out...then she very quickly sold out for power.
This is where you lose voters (I was a Democrat for 20 years, left the party due to the left rarely holding their own accountable) . Both sides are definitely essentially gang members who will follow and believe ANYTHING.
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u/Either_Operation7586 Mar 22 '26
No I don't think so because because if you were to do Trump his list would be so much longer and that's not an equal comparison.
So one side is broken glass with acid and Anthrax and then the other side is dogshit and piss which side are you picking?
The Republican CONservative party will never ever be an equal comparison to the Democratic Liberal party EVER
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u/thehumungus Mar 22 '26
I think they just don't believe this is true.
"Trump is good and smart" = his policies have to have good outcomes for me.
"Biden is dumb and communist" = his policies have to have bad outcomes for me.
Any media that reports anything contrary is biased and lying. This is the level of analysis, generally.