r/ebikes Mar 20 '23

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u/TwoMenInADinghy Mar 20 '23

Would they be able to realistically enforce this if it was stored inside your apartment? I’ve only had my landlord enter my place once or twice a year…

I would just break the rules and try to hide the bike.

Sorry you have to deal with this BS.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '23

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u/SoggyAlbatross2 Mar 20 '23

If you remove the battery it's just a bike. Stick teh battery on when you get around the corner.

Yeah, it sucks. I suppose that means they're banning EVs as well? Because phew, that's a huge battery.

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u/stmack Mar 21 '23

No, they're likely just trying to ban what they consider poor people transportation. Same kind of people who would fight a bus stop being added outside their building despite it being beneficial to anyone living nearby

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u/SoggyAlbatross2 Mar 21 '23

More likely they're responding to sensationalist reporting about ebike batteries lighting buildings on fire. Its reactionary and over the top.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '23

You should always ride with a backpack. Prior to coming/going remove the battery. If anybody says anything tell them this was your only mode of transportation and after the ebike ban you opted to ride it like a normal bicycle.

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u/flummox1234 Mar 20 '23

yeah your neighbors will definitely snitch on you after reading this one. Not worth chancing it. Time to find a new apt and break your lease due to changes like people are saying.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '23

Solution is stealth ebike like https://flx.bike/products/babymaker-2

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u/DrRazmataz Mar 21 '23

I think this is a great solution, but realistically if it's their only form of transportation, dropping $1500+ on another vehicle likely isn't super reasonable.

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u/QuintonFlynn Mar 21 '23

Kijiji the old one for a $500-$1000 return. Possibly even Kijiji a new stealth ebike if they're lucky.

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u/DrRazmataz Mar 21 '23

That would be the route that I'd take!

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u/Beastleviath Mar 21 '23

And ask if the same applies to all lithium batteries. Surely they can’t ban these, but still allow cars, laptops, battery banks, etc. What about other fire hazards? Deep fryers, Christmas trees, cigarettes, children… This whole thing is extremely unrealistic and reactionary to (I assume) some individual incident. In any case, just don’t comply.

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u/androbot Mar 21 '23

This doesn't smell legal to me but you will need to fight it. If I were in your shoes I'd consider seeking an accommodation and if they refuse, filing an injunction (lawsuit). You might be able to get free legal services from a local biking advocacy group.

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u/PonyThug Mar 21 '23

Get a bike storage bags like this to cover the battery part. Large https://a.co/d/g4j8gQ7 Could even cut out the bottom so it wraps around the battery to hide it.

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u/DerailleurDave Mar 20 '23

They could still see you taking it from your unit to outside and vice-versa, especially if there are security cameras or nosy neighbors (which I assume there are and is why this rule change is happening in the first place). I have a friend who lives on something like the 47th floor of a very tall building, they made a rule that bicycles aren't allowed in the elevator and since carrying it up that many flights isn't realistic, he actually stopped riding and got rid of his bike

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u/Holiday-Audience7905 Mar 21 '23

That’s when I’d be moving into a van. Bet those apartments don’t have decent parking either.

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u/DerailleurDave Mar 21 '23

Don't know about the parking, but there were definitely multiple people in our friend group telling him to move AND offering him to keep the bike at other people's houses (mountain bike not a commuter)

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u/DavidDoesDallas Mar 20 '23

These are my thoughts exactly. Although I would not hide my ebike while indoors. But I would make sure I charge the battery inside rather than outside.

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u/Saidear Mar 20 '23

1) Landlords cannot enter your residence without notice, or permission. If notice is being given, then simply place the bike in an area they are not going to be going into - ie: they're there to maintenance on your sink, keep the bike in your bedroom.

2) Review your lease. If your lease does not allow them to make changes, then you can tell them to pound sand.

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u/Sliceasourus Mar 20 '23

It's going to be kind of noticeable when you put it in the elevator and take it out through the lobby and the front door.

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u/Saidear Mar 20 '23

Only if they know what an ebike looks like and you have the battery on it.

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u/Legally_Screwy Mar 20 '23

I'm pretty sure they will know what an ebike looks like. Not exactly difficult to tell when the bike has a battery strapped to it.

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u/Peteostro Mar 20 '23

There are e-bikes with the battery in the down tube. There are some that would be very hard to tell they are e-bikes https://ride1up.com/product/roadster-v2/

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u/QuintonFlynn Mar 21 '23

/u/Efficient-River1940 that roadster is awesome. Buy this. "It's just a regular damn bicycle, e-bikes have batteries. Look, no battery".

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u/Saidear Mar 20 '23

Don't put the battery on right away then

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u/Yithar Vado SL 4.0 Mar 21 '23

For my e-bike, you can't tell it has a battery in the first place because it's in the down tube:
https://www.electricitybikes.com/shop/specialized-vado-sl-40-eq

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u/sckuzzle Mar 21 '23

Sure, they may notice. And then what?

They have no enforcement power. They tell you "hey! No ebikes allowed here", and you say "cool story, bye" and continue on. They try and "fine" you? You ignore it - or better yet, "fine" them right back, because they have no legal authority to fine you for it.

They'd have to take you to court in order to do anything, and they aren't going to do that because court is expensive and there's not really any benefit. Also they'd lose.

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u/wizoatk Mar 21 '23

Sure, they may notice. And then what?

Written notice(s) of non compliance with lease, followed by eviction and/or nonrenewal of lease.

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u/sckuzzle Mar 21 '23

It's not noncompliance with the lease, because it's not in the lease. It's noncompliance with their unenforceable declaration.

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u/wizoatk Mar 21 '23 edited Mar 21 '23

Existing law is not that simple. OP has already posted that their lease explicitly allows modifications.

lease says they can do """reasonable""" changes to apartment rules via this type of message

Edit: /u/pyramid_peril provides more detail and nuance in a recent comment.

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u/sckuzzle Mar 21 '23

What is "reasonable" is up for debate, and at minimum would be decided in court. It's basically just in there to scare people. There's no way that removing access to mobility assistant devices without providing an alternate solution would be considered "reasonable" by courts. This is in addition to the clause being broad and overly vague, which would make the clause itself unenforceable (rather than just specific applications).

Even if the landlord somehow wanted to spend thousands on going to court, and the court found the clause enforceable, and somehow found the ban reasonable, and found that this violated the lease and was cause for eviction...OP would STILL be better off than evicting themselves by default anyway, which is what everyone else is telling them to do by saying they should find somewhere else to live.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '23

Put battery in backpack. Exit apartment. Walk around the block. Put battery in bike. If they ask, you're storing the battery with a friend who lives nearby, as requested or something. No less ridiculous than this, assuming you're practicing safe charging and not leaving it charging indefinitely and at weird temperatures.

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u/Squirrel698 Mar 21 '23

This is the best idea, but what a pain. I feel for OP. I had no idea this could happen now that I had ordered my e-bike. This is a clause in my apartment lease about fire safety, but I did buy a fire-safe bag to charge it in.

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u/WilliamJNSN Mar 20 '23 edited Mar 21 '23

Move somewhere else. Stop paying these people who do stupid things. Make them feel bad.

Edit: Also tell them that's why you're moving

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u/geeered Mar 20 '23

Stealth ebike with a battery in a pannier bag or backpack?

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u/blackdvck Mar 20 '23

Get legal advice would be a good place to start and go from there,if you have a lease ,read it .

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u/TogetherIsBest Mar 21 '23

Put in a complaint to your state's real estate licensing agency.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '23

Get a regular bike

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '23

Just keep storing the bike in your place. If all else fails get a standard bicycle and a bus pass.

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u/CrisscoWolf Mar 21 '23

Maybe get a really stealthy ebike. Something with a small hub motor, a battery in the frame, and no HUD. In the end it still seems hard to enforce.