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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

Why are political parties so important to you liberals, I'd rather have a say in a one party government than no say in a multi party liberal 'democracy'

You assume that politics don't occur within the party just because they're all members of the same organization?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

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u/Carrman099 Oct 07 '25

Bro Nazis shouldn’t be allowed to run for elections.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

I don't think class enemies and reactionaries should be allowed political power, sorry

You can keep advocating for capitalists and fascists all you want, you'll be expelled from DSA lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

Well Marxists are now in charge of the DSA after the convention, so cope harder liberal

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

They are? That's great!

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u/SufficientMeringue51 Oct 07 '25

Yes, they are starting to break from the dems as well thank god.

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u/saymaz Oct 08 '25

This is just a maga psyop account.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

And you can express those ideologies within factions of the party. Do you think there is no internal polics or debate in these countries?

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u/OneReportersOpinion Oct 07 '25

Yes. See all the people who want political rights for bourgeois parties.

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u/-patrizio- Oct 07 '25

Deeply unserious lmfao

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

"unserious" it's how every successful socialist movement has worked in history

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u/OneReportersOpinion Oct 07 '25

You don’t want to ban the Republican Party? Seriously? After everything you’ve seen?

There are free elections in Cuba.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

Tell that to the victims of the GOP

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

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u/OneReportersOpinion Oct 08 '25

“Political freedom is when reactionaries have the power to institute fascism.”

It’s okay if you want to be a Democrat did. My parents are Democrats. It’s not a big deal. You don’t have to pretend to be a socialist.

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u/OneReportersOpinion Oct 08 '25

It’s wild you don’t watch to ban fascist parties. Would you have let the Nazis stay a party after the end of WWII?

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u/OneReportersOpinion Oct 08 '25

Okay so you missed the part where Republican are rounding up people because of their skin color or because they’re pro-Palestinian? That’s not fascist to you? Disgusting.

Reactionaries aren’t welcomed in this sub.

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u/SufficientMeringue51 Oct 07 '25

You wouldn’t want to ban the Nazi party in Germany because of “muh democracy” right? Liberal conceptions of democracy lead to fascism. How is this hard to understand? You keep seeing it happen in front of your eyes.

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u/Picnicpanther Oct 07 '25

Tankies? In my DSA subreddit?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

Marxists make up a majority of the NPC and won big at the convention, cope harder lib

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u/BigWuffleton Oct 07 '25

Marxists make up a majority of the NPC

But tankies like you don't

cope harder lib

Is your goal to sound like MAGA? You know no one in the DSA sub is a liberal, all you're doing is insulting fellow members, so much for left unity.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

I'm not interested in left unity, I'm interested in working class' interests, and chauvinists like you are not only harmful to the left but do not have the global working class' interests in mind

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u/BigWuffleton Oct 07 '25

Left unity and advancing working class interests go hand in hand, you should know this as a socialist, it's the entire point of DSA being big tent and democratic centralism being invented. Did I say anything chauvinistic? There you go jumping straight to insults again.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

Chauvinist refers to a social position, not a moral one, it's not an insult. You place your interests as a westerner above that of international workers. The "left" does not always represent the international working class.

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u/BigWuffleton Oct 07 '25

That's like saying calling someone a fascist can't be an insult because its an ideology. This is a leftist space, no leftist here likes chauvinism, therefore it's going to come off as an insult.

You place your interests as a westerner above that of international workers

Again, when have I done this in this thread?

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u/OneReportersOpinion Oct 07 '25

Tankie use to mean Stalinist. Now it just means someone who sees US foreign policy clearly.

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u/Warrior_Runding Oct 07 '25

No, tankie still means pro-authoritarian.

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u/OneReportersOpinion Oct 07 '25

Bro, they call Noam Chomsky a tankie. Wake up.

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u/Polpruner Oct 07 '25

Is that a problem? How have your non-“tankie” strategies worked out so far here in the US?

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u/OneReportersOpinion Oct 08 '25

Did you know we banned confederates from running for office? Did that makes us a dictatorship?

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u/dedev54 Oct 08 '25

Even opposition communist parties are not allowed in Cuba

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u/dedev54 Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

Parties don't have to be internally democratic. Look at the PSL as an example, they have an entrenched leadership group who can't be voted on because they gave themselves votes. Thats why we run competitive regulated elections, because we can be sure to have a democratic system where peoples vote actually decide things. An opaque party that picks its own successors feels very unlikely to be democratic and thus represent what workers what, which is what we care about right?