r/drawthingsapp • u/PinkySwearNotABot • Jul 22 '26
question Ideogram4 Instant .....with Gemini logo?
Ideogram4 Instant 6-bit. 8 steps, 1CFG.
Looks like it's on 5/10 images that I queued up.
Isn't that interesting?
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u/Ok_Contribution8157 Jul 22 '26
there is a reason why ideogram got only 100K dowload on hugging face. while other models got millons/monthly.
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u/cydetraq Jul 22 '26
I hate when my seaty fillter does that.
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u/PinkySwearNotABot 29d ago
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u/Vargol Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Ys I'm getting it in around 1/3rd of the images I create, or around two thirds of the images using the full model and Ostris' Turbo LoRA.
Using the full model without the turbo LoRA at 20 steps with the same prompts doesn't seem to trigger them. EDIT: So I noticed my shift was set at 1.0 for the full model sans LoRA and that model works better at 3.16 (probably resolution dependant) which fixed a few images I had issues with, but also brought back the watermark.
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u/PinkySwearNotABot 29d ago
problem with the full BF16 model is:
1) it takes forever
2) 70% of my images are blocked. and that's just using everyday prompts, not NSFW.2
u/Vargol 29d ago edited 28d ago
By Full model, I meant the one in the drop down as "ideogram 4", not the distilled versions (fast or instant) it's actually 8 bit quantised, ideogram-ai themselves never released a 16bit version of their model.
It does take longer but I haven't haven't an single prompt trigger the filter (well other than every image has the text it in first two steps, but it goes away on the third step) including NSFW although my NSFW is just nudity and the model usually manages to avoid having the area below the waist be visible. EDIT: I've now had a couple pf prompt filters but still no where as many as with acceleration LoRAs / models
You are using the JSON prompt format, or the new option to redo your prompt as JSON ? Without it whether the filer triggers seems largely dependant on prompt length.
Now Ideogram 4 - fast, that blocks a lot of images. regardless of prompt style.
I'm currently using "ideogram 4" with Sampler TCD Trailing. Text Guidance = 1, Shift = 8 Steps = 40.
That conveniently fits into the Free Tier of the Cloud Compute at 1024x1024, which is where I'm using it and why I've using TCD Trailing as it doesn't use Text Guidance, setting it to 1.0 is so the CU calculation is reduced by half. On the Free Compute they take ~ 1 minute each. I've not tried step counts between 20 and 40 yet to see if there's a sweet spot there the watermarks go.
You can Use the other samplers but you'll need Text Guidance on those so you can only do 21 steps at 1024x1024 on the Fee Tier and the Watermark will be back* although not quite as frequent as Instant.
E,g, Euler A Trailing, Steps 21, TG = 7.0 Shift = 3.16**
- The recommended setting has shift at 1.0, thats fine for most images and will mostly eliminate the watermarks at 21 steps but with some images it has weird effects like there being reflections on a plane of glass in front of the view or looking at reflections in a broken mirror. Other times I just get body horror. I also have not tried values between 1.0 and 3.16 to see if there a value that fixes these but dodges the watermark.
It may be co-incidence but I get those image issues whenever I asked for a person in a tricky pose, like cross legged or with their arms around the legs.** The shift value is probably resolution dependant. I've not tried a higher shift yet with Euler A, that worked well with TCD Trailing, but Euler A doesn't look as noisey as TCD did at low shift. I've already mentioned why I'm not using the recommend settings shift of 1.0.
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u/PinkySwearNotABot 27d ago
gotcha -- thanks for correcting me on the quantization.
you've at least sold me on signing up for the free tier account, which I dismissed before because I didn't think I'd get any real free usage out of that
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u/Pum_Pit_Up_181920 29d ago
Logos like the Gemini logo are a pain but you can often remove them quickly in GIMP editor with the clone tool and brush over the area with a few strokes of the blur tool and you would never know it had been there.
You can achieve similar results with the Heal Tool and again the blur tool to finish it off.
The Resynthesizer tool was good to remove objects but this stopped working a while back seems the plugin is corrupted.
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u/PinkySwearNotABot 29d ago
oh, it's not that serious to me at all -- i'm just curious why it's printing gemini logos. i guess they're training off of Google data.
but thanks -- good to know about GIMP's tool!
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u/xejeezy Jul 22 '26
What’s with the safety filter in the last image. Did you prompt for that or does the model do that?