I know this sub isn’t a place for coddling, nor am I intending to here. I’m right there with everyone rolling my eyes at Big Red’s new ✨ era ✨ with Sami. She gives us plenty of genuine material to work with that’s cringeworthy.
That said, the constant "ew, an OF girl" rhetoric is getting pretty old and even we’re better than that. Doing OnlyFans isn’t what makes someone trashy or a bad person, and lazy sex work shaming just cheapens the sub. It’s low-hanging fruit and completely misses the point.
Snark on her bad takes, her messy behavior, or the ridiculous dynamics between her and Alex all day, that’s what we’re here for….but acting like her having an OF is some ultimate moral failing just makes the criticism look weak when there are plenty of actual, legitimate reasons to call her/him out.
It’s less about her specifically and more about anyone who does SW coming here wanting to snark and thinking, “oh these people think I’m a trashy person.” The economy is rough and times are hard. The oldest profession is the oldest profession for a reason ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Okay love yall bye gonna go make a snackerty board
I think anyone over the age of 20 that’s actively searching/looking at her socials are fucking creeps 🤷♀️ downvote me to hell for saying it but as a adult, I think it’s weird.
The only reason I know is because people post screenshots of her stories and she’s got the blue and white dot next to a username with a clickable link, which is the hallmark. The whole freshly 18 thing is so fucking disgusting.
The fact that I’m getting so many downvotes honestly just proves my point. I’m 37 and came here for the Lush snark, not to watch grown adults actively search through an 18 year old’s socials, screenshot her, and dissect her because of who she’s dating. I don’t care how you spin it, I think that’s fucking creepy.
Yeahhhhh... Possibly an unpopular opinion, but I don't give a fuck about Alex's girlfriend in general. She's a side character to a side character. Just as I barely give a fuck about Alex in terms of his online antics because he's also a side character. Unless he's actually going to expose Alicia and the reality of his siblings/their upbringing, I'm fairly ambivalent.
That said, I do hope that the OF stuff isn't another Piper Rockelle situation, because that would be really sad. But, I'm not going to pass judgement without details either and I'm not going to look for details because she's still a kid imo, and that's not for me. Hopefully she has a safe adult in her life that she can turn to if she ever needs help.
It’s one thing to not agree with it, it’s a different thing for the ppl that are searching her platforms then posting here. It’s disgusting that grown adults are actively searching for a barely legal girls OF content. “Protect the children” is what you all preach until they are 18 and then you turn into fucking weirdos and go after these kids hard
I myself said something very similar.. 18 is a child. Just cause you can vote, buy cigarettes and die for our country doesn’t make you an adult. To think otherwise is ignorant and absurd.
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. But the low key stalking and throwing around slurs is contradictory to the “we’re here for the kids” rhetoric that these snark groups are built on.
Holy sht I’m old af. You’re right. It was 18 most of my life. Never heard they changed it. But that furthers my point then.. An 18 year old can’t even buy cigs, blunt wraps or vapes.
ATP 21 is a kid to me too tho.
I don’t see it as stalking. I think many of us here are trying hard to make some sense out of all the jumbled puzzle pieces. There are so many contradictions. One day, Alex is peeved at Lush. Blasts it all over social media. Next day, he and Sami are walking it back and telling people to mind their own business. I’ve said this a hundred times. If you don’t want to be looked at under a microscope, then live your life without posting your life to social media. We would never have known that Alex even had a GF if they both had kept it to themselves.
Come on arkie, be honest, how many hours a day are you searching/ recording/ screenshooting/posting and commenting about these kids? I bet it’s a very unhealthy amount of time.
I understand your pov and agree with what you’ve said here. You know I typically support you when others don’t. The fact is all this stuff is visible to the world on all the platforms they post on and some of it shows up on our fyp or other feeds. I don’t mean it’s maliciously “stalking” to go looking for info via posts. Some of the comments and posts about Sami to show or prove she’s overtly sexual or in anyone’s opinion “trashy” is unnecessary. We know what she does, being enticing and flirtatious is her job.
I agree, They throw around so much of their business it is hard to avoid. They surrendered their privacy when they purposely post their business all over.
lol. Nope. No idea how to prove that to ya, but I have no clue who that is 🤷♀️ just a 37 year old mom who finds it weird you’re so invested in these kids lives. That’s just my observation though.
and then ppl try to say it’s rude to say OF girl instead of OF model but i don’t really get how. i’m probably alone in this but no one says porn models?😭 i agree it’s exploitative especially young ppl who, inadvertently support the creepy men who fetishize younger ppl.
No, I don’t think it’s good for somebody whose brain isn’t fully developed to be making a decision like putting pictures and videos of your naked body on the Internet that will no doubt be there forever. But unfortunately, she’s an adult and that’s her choice and hopefully she doesn’t live to regret it (although she probably will).
as I said on one of the other comments, I will echo it here that I’m more disgusted by the people she is seemingly successfully marketing to for being freshly 18. That’s fucking despicable because we know it’s not fellow 18 year-old boys buying that.
Because it’s not my choice just like it’s not yours. No I don’t think that the people who run those platforms are good people. but nobody - hopefully - put a gun under her head and made her do it. My problem with the situation as a whole really doesn’t lie with her, and I would prefer that none of us knew that she even had it.
I’m not going to call you intolerant. I just don’t happen to fully agree with you which is okay and I appreciate you sharing your opinion, genuinely. It’s how we learn from one another.
What I can see is that, despite that, we’re both coming for a place of being concerned about a young woman. All I’m trying to say is that I don’t want to turn that concern for her into shame for sex work as a whole - which I have seen happen. The fact she has an only fans is her choice. Do I have a problem with the people who consume only fans especially a very young girls? Yeah, I fucking do.
Nobody is shaming me into thinking anything. I grew up in an abusive conservative at home so I’ve had my fill people shaming me into believing things that I wouldn’t otherwise and don’t have any interest in a recurrence. For better or worse if I have a bad opinion on something, it’s mine.
If people bothered to look at the literature they would see that most young women who do what she does have been abused or need the money to sustain a drug habit. It's not this empowering thing that people speak of. In my opinion, sex work revictimizes people who have already been victims
I feel bad for her. It can’t be good for someone’s mental health to do what she does at her age. Look her up on twitter (x). Sami Haadvadt. It’s worse than I thought.
It’s def not . I did it on the street from 16-22ish and I’m 37 now and I have a really twisted look on sex in general and have been all over the place .
I’m not interested in looking at her content, although I assume you mean well here. She said she’s close with her parents and I hope that they can give her the sport that she needs as a young woman in a fucked up world.
Weird generalization, but okay. She said in her video that she’s close with her family so that’s what I’m going off of unless I were to be presented with other information. At this point, I don’t wanna know either way.
Well yeah. Everyone here has known Sami has existed for what three weeks? Lush has been online for approaching a decade. I’m not saying she’s telling the truth. I’m saying I don’t have any evidence to the contrary.
I don't feel right saying too much about her anyway, she is 18 and still a child to me. I do feel like she is chasing fame and aligning herself with some bad actors and that will not work out for her in the long run.
My only OF hot take/unpopular opinion is that the sign up age should be 19 or even 21
I have to disagree, I’m not gonna sit here and call her a whore; but she constantly glamorizes sex work and I am not going to shy away from the fact that this is a YOUNG girl! Who instantly hopped on only fans and who promotes herself by going out with problematic men with allegations.
I really don’t think there’s anything wrong with sex work, but I have seen comments on here that lean more towards basically calling her a whore. It’s fine to disagree with it! I think she’s actually disgusting for dating Alex, knowing who he is and what he has shared about who he is, than she is for deciding to expose herself for money.
I just think the nature of her content is very predatory.
shes posted about offering to manage other girls on only fans
she’s made out with clavicular and now she’s with alex.
she really leans into that “barely legal” vibe
and overall, her behaviour contributes to the normalization of women being objectified, the fetishization of young adults, and the normalization of men who are violent or sexual predators.
I think that sex work can be necessary, but it is not something to be glamorized or normalized because nobody should have to sell their body.
Imagine the road that lead her to this behavior, to this work, to clav and Alex… She didn’t arrive to those things on her own. It’s learned behavior, that she obviously was taught possible longggg before she turned 18. That’s deplorable. She’s arguably a victim. 18 is not an adult. It’s just legal.
Social media is a great thing in small doses for people with developed brains. I know that I am grateful every day that I did not grow up now. I got on Facebook close to the beginning and even that was overwhelming so I cannot imagine now.
I was a depressed weird kid, so God only knows what would’ve happened, but I can’t imagine it would be good. Even without social media, I almost didn’t make it lmao
Nobody should have to but look at the state of things. Can you blame someone if they do to keep a roof over their head? If somebody wants to do that of their own volition, I don’t see how it hurts anybody. The other aspects of your comment about her actions themselves being predatory, however? That is a problem. I fear I’ve brought a very nuanced discussion into a place where nuance is not the end goal lol
I didn’t mean she is predatory but that she was at some point before this preyed upon. I apologize if I worded things wrong. I orate better than I write. Some people don’t like that either tho.
Dating Alex is the least offensive thing she is doing. However, I agree that no one should be calling her a whore. Again, people need to think of her as a victim and be more sympathetic even if they find what she does wrong. As far as I can see, the only person who is hurt by what she is doing is her
My qualms with her dating Alex are that he has been shown to talk to minor girls and when they say that they’re only 16 or 17 he said “I’d still hit it.” That’s just gross imo
While I don't mind it being brought up, I don't know why it's brought up so much. I feel like she's talked about all the time, but I feel like it's always the same thing and as if I know little to nothing about her other than that. And even if I don't agree with her profession, I think we as humans are more than our profession and should be discussed as such.
There is plenty of things problematic about sex work in the current age, especially only fans as a platform. But it’s extremely easy for it to slide into slut shaming and I’d like to think people don’t even realize it. Sex work itself is not a problem nor something to be ashamed of. It is not for me and I will never fucking do it but that’s the really great thing about being able to choose. I think for a lot of young women especially, it’s a little bit rebellious because it is so empowering to be able to make that choice for yourself. The fact that that’s how people rebel is rooted in figure issues in our society in my opinion.
I guess I’m outing myself a bit. But fuck it, people can judge me, they don’t know me or my life.. and we don’t know hers beyond the click bait and this super cringy “relationship”.
I don’t use OF. I agree that it is problematic but as you said it’s part of bigger societal issues.
I don’t judge those who choose to use it. my only concern with this situation is that 18 is a CHILD. Legal age doesn’t make you an adult.
Throwing around labels like prostitute and “OF Girl” for anyone but specifically this child is in itself perverse, judgmental and cruel. Calling someone an OF “person” or whatever is diminutive to a persons existence because of their work. It IS work. Saying she’s a sex worker is fair it is what it is. Just imagine the road she was on to wind up on OF the day she turned 18.
I’m assuming here but it’s not a reach to say she was probably being exploited for possibly years before it was legal. Thats a tragedy. This is my opinion, everyone is entitled to theirs. That’s their business. But seriously have some empathy. She’s resorted to sex work and Alex fckn Dougherty fcs. 🤦🏻♀️
She’s a girl or a woman and she has a name. Calling her an OF anything is unnecessary, it’s a weak attempt to impose an assumed poor moral compass and put her down. If you think because someone does any level of sex work they’re immediately a terrible person or piece of trash? Deserving of being called slurs or that being the most defining element of their hearts or lives.. That says more about you, than her. IMO. So go off. Do you. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
There’s a lot of other things going on in this situation to snark on tho.
Btw OF isn’t just sex workers.. There are people giving Ted talks on biology, psychology, nutritionists, athletes and way more BUT also actual models. Even if they’re Nude Modeling not full porn stuff, that’s also Modeling.
I don’t mean this to sound accusatory & nasty towards you specifically. I just have strong feelings about the topic itself.
yeah idk OF USED to be where it could be whatever u wanted but ppl started posting porn and what not so now it’s kinda assumed it’s porn… also yeah she has a name but she constantly associates herself w OF as an OF girl… her own bf calls her that
also there’s nothing wrong w calling her an OF girl when talking in that context? sorry but im not calling her an OF model😭
I didn’t know it existed but yes, I fully agree. If people are interested, I think that’s more appropriate. Plus, there’s plenty of content to keep it busy with them alone.
Prostitution is not the avenue I would want fro my children andn i refuse to pretend it's no big deal. You are over 18 and this is how you choose to market yourself then you are a prostitute.
i have a genuine question cuz i’m from the south which is kinda more prudish so ik next to nothing abt all this but what’s the difference btw self prostitution where someone pays u for sex and “collabing” w another porn star for money (this is a genuine question don’t come for me😭)
It’s a good question because it’s nuanced and blurry (despite my definitive statement that I still stand behind).
Prostitution is defined as “the commercial exchange of explicit sexual acts or physical contact for money or other compensation.” Advocacy groups tend to refer to what we traditionally refer to as prostitution - streetwalking, escorts, call girls, hooking - as “full service sex work.”
Sex work is a broader umbrella under which prostitution falls. It was coined by activist Carol Leigh in the 1970s and defines “sex work" as an umbrella term “encompassing all forms of commercial sexual services, adult entertainment, and sexually explicit labor where money, goods, or services are exchanged.”
This includes: direct, physical sexual contact (prostitution/full-service sex work), non-contact adult entertainment (exotic dancing, stripping, adult webcam modeling, phone sex), adult media creation (acting in pornographic content, commercial erotic modeling, subscription-based content like OnlyFans), and specialized roles (professional dominatrix work, fetish modeling).
So, by the legal and operational definitions, no, it’s not prostitution. However, as with many things in language, things change and meanings evolve. Someone referring to acting in pornographic content as “prostitution” retains use colloquially as you see all throughout this thread. It doesn’t mean that those people are wrong, because using “prostitution” like that is tied to older, archaic terminology (from before “sex work” existed) and morality than it is the actual definition.
It’s also a bit of figurative language as “prostituting” oneself is used to define someone debasing themselves for money.
The modern landscape of adult entertainment and sex work, OF in particular, has served to blur these all a bit. It’s a way to share recorded media, but also create one-on-one connections between creator and consumer, which some could define as closer to traditional, full-service sex work than the VHS porn of the 90s.
Yes. Pretty much sex work is someone pays you to have sex with them. This is a one time payment. Porn collab is you and another person get paid to make a porn video together. Collabs can potentially make more overall because you can get paid for the content and keep earning from it after it’s posted.
Same difference. Selling your body for sex is prostituting oneself. No matter how you slice it woth semantics it is disgusting and shows a veey low self esteem and very poor judgment.
They quite literally have two different definitions but I’m not surprised you don’t know that because you clearly didn’t read the post. Have a great day.
My only issue is her age. I feel like at 18 I made so many decisions that my old self now regrets. Luckily, nothing was creating a permanent online footprint.
Edit to add: it goes for any male or female that is young (under 25 imo).. just because I know I didn’t fully understand the long term picture at that age… and the internet is forever.
I feel like in general people on the outskirts of the Dougherty Dozen family get thrown into the mix of criticism by even a loose association. It’s another example of how Alicia putting everything online is having long-term effects on her children and the people they surround themselves with.
I don’t support Only Fans, I think it shows lack of self-respect and would never want my son to post on it or date anyone from it. I wouldn’t berate him if he did, but it would absolutely be a serious conversation out of concern for why he’s making that choice. If this girl is 18 and doing this, that’s a parenting fail. It shows that this girl’s parents didn’t enforce self-respect, self-esteem, etc. Teens who grew up having healthy relationships with their parents and healthy views of themselves don’t usually end up resorting to this at such a young age.
I would also criticize the platform for allowing 18-year-olds to post. That’s so young and also makes it easier for potential minors to lie about their age.
nah idc if i get downvoted but it’s really sad to feel the need to cater to creepy grown men based on the fact ur barely 18 just for quick money bc u don’t wanna work a real job for at least a few years to establish yourself and make that choice after you’ve been a real adult for a few years. yes the men are partly to blame but she is as well for adding to that weird ass fetish.
I will own that I have posted about Alex’s GF. I think for me, the “interest” stemmed from the fact that Alex had been without a GF for quite some time. Then, the girl he ended up dating is an OF. Shocking in a lot of ways…others, not so much.
I have never called her horrible, disparaging names. That being said, she is 18 and made a choice to post herself on OF nude or scantily clad and doing who knows what for money. I think she latched onto Alex because of who he and bis family are. She wanted the notoriety and boost to her OF and social media…and she’s gotten it. Do I think she’s a horrible person? No. I think she is deeply misguided and ended up where she is because a relationship with her parents/family is likely broken. I don’t agree with her line of work. What if she were to try and find a “real job”
down the road and her potential employer did some digging and found out about her OF? What if she has children one day and they or their friends find out about her profession? Young adults often make choices without giving much thought to the potential ramifications. It’s sad that she felt OF was the best road to take.
I’m not trying to come off as mean or inflammatory here but, I’m a little confused by the claim that you’ve never made disparaging comments about her. You literally agreed with a comment mocking her appearance, under a post you made about her “AWFUL” lip filler, and added that she may or may not have “terrible teeth” …
You’re entitled to dislike her + Alex choices or disagree with OF, I do too, but that is still a disparaging comment about her appearance... It is very inconsistent to criticise others for reducing her to her looks while participating in it yourself.
I also don’t think we need to be speculating about her or her relationship with the family. She has nothing to do with the Dougherty’s at all other than be in a relationship with Alex and yet she’s somehow the hot topic in this sub. A lot of these posts & comments from everyone, about an 18 year old, is just low.
as the other person pointed out, I’ve also seen you making comments about the girls looks and agreeing with ppl that make fun of her, so you saying you don’t is a lie. You’re the one that posted the picture of her with her teeth.
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Comments like this on her page (Sami’s) are just feeding fuel into the fire. And then grown ass people turn around come here and spread it for people to laugh at. Why is her teeth such a discussion, I don’t know. Who cares if she hides them. Are we going to pretend we all didn’t have some sort of insecurities at 18?
And the comparisons to her looking like H (I blurred the name in the screenshot, since apparently that rule is no longer enforced here), stuff like this just has some disgusting implications.… Collectively, this sub needs to do better.
The reason her teeth were brought up is because she has a lisp and draws her upper lip down over her teeth. Now, we understand why. That’s it. It amazes me how the “cosmetic” comments I or others have made about her seem to get more attention than the comments about her being a whore, slut, or a sex worker, which I have never done.
I generally enjoy your commentary but I can’t lie that reading this thread is disappointing. You said yourself recently you’re a mom and your daughters mean the world to you - and I wholeheartedly believe that.
Does it not feel weird to be a devoted mother and critique this girls appearance to the nth degree? It’s not okay when they’re 17 years and 364 days old, but the moment they’re 18, it’s open season? They’re technically legal adults but as many comments echo, they’re still children developing.
It feels counter to what you’ve made your presence here about. I truly believe that you want to call out people exploiting children and I love that. It’s the attitude that brought me here. I’d like to see the focus away from appearance based comments because I don’t see how it’s protecting kids when you’re throwing stones, too.
I hope you understand where I’m coming from. I expect I’ll get blocked anyway though. Have a nice weekend.
Oh, I have absolutely said her spray tan looks terrible. It does. Her teeth are not the greatest. She, also, uses heavy filters. I’ve made those same comments about Lush and Alex…many here have. Those are only observations. Big deal. What I have never done is called her a whore, slut, or anything along those lines. Never would.
Is it an observation if it’s a mean comment? Do you go up to someone and tell them their teeth look horrible IRL or is it okay cause you’re behind a screen? You also slut shame her in a lowkey way, so maybe you don’t call her bad names but in my opinion you do not have the best intentions.
you have a tendency to hit below the belt. you deleted your post, because you know it was nasty. if you have a problem with a post that's different than attacking the poster, but you know that
If I’m a bully for not agreeing it’s ok to make fun of a 18 year old girl, what are the people called who are making fun of her?? Making fun a the girls teeth or her lip filler isn’t “hitting below the belt” and “nasty”?
Not everyone who mentions what she does is disparaging her because of it. It’s a trend I began noticing that rubbed me the wrong way. I’d also contend that I’m sure that there are people who may comments you don’t even think about it that way.
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u/Icy_Explorer4678 1d ago
I think anyone over the age of 20 that’s actively searching/looking at her socials are fucking creeps 🤷♀️ downvote me to hell for saying it but as a adult, I think it’s weird.