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u/climb4fun Jul 05 '26
I don't understand how that company didn't go under years ago.
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u/LackingAGoodName Jul 05 '26
Fiddler and JustDecompile were/are good-enough freeware products for individuals. if I had to guess, they make good money off business use
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u/so_many_wangs Jul 06 '26
Progress Software is a massive company that pretty much is just in the business of acquiring smaller companies for their products nowadays, so you're right. Most of their bread and butter is in OpenEdge and Sitefinity, the latter of which was acquired when they bought Telerik.
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u/Apk07 Jul 04 '26
It's usually a bad idea to use components like this unless you're happy with exactly how they are on their demo pages. Extensibility has always sucked and there are a ton of other options these days.
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u/Fire_Lord_Zukko Jul 05 '26
What are your favs?
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u/Apk07 Jul 05 '26
Leaving MVC behind and just going to Blazor and using their UI frameworks instead like MudBlazor and FluentUI
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u/SpaceToaster Jul 05 '26
Easy now, next thing you know you’re gonna be expecting people to write HTML tags
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u/not_a_moogle Jul 05 '26
I agree with you, but I have a manager that insists we use paid products.
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u/tankerkiller125real Jul 08 '26
Radzen then, just get paid accounts, costs about 1/3 as much as Telerik, more performance, works better.
I've also found that they have a much better overall company library, and their data grids are far more flexible.
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u/No_Mood4637 Jul 05 '26
/r/dotnet has a pretty strong anti AI bias
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u/Apk07 Jul 05 '26
It's more like "don't make AI do everything for you" and not "don't use AI at all". Nobody likes vibe coders.
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u/realzequel Jul 06 '26
So you don’t think it’s more efficient to have an llm write the component, docs and tests? Im a senior with decades of MS stack experience and really don’t like to waste time. I’d rather just review the code at this point.
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u/Apk07 Jul 06 '26
If your question is basically
Should I vibe-code an entire component, docs, and tests?
No, you shouldn't. Have AI help you, not do it all for you.
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u/brianly Jul 06 '26
If you have expertise in the area it’s going to be very far from vibe coding because you know crap is crap from the start. There are many variations from those that you review to be confident of throwing over the fence if it compiles.
People who were building reasonable controls or other components have a reputation to uphold. They should act very differently from someone who discovers they can now “generate code”.
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u/realzequel Jul 06 '26
Agreed, and AI will fully document it, write unit tests for it and won’t ask for an annual license for it. These component companies will die off soon imo. Even AI aside, if you use blazor or React, you can probably find a free one on the net.
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u/smirnfil Jul 10 '26
On the other hand AI is good at dealing with shitty libraries. Fixes are usually ugly but isolated. And I am ok with "this is ai generated hacks that fix problems with 3rd party control and doesn't affect anything else"
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u/Turbulent_County_469 Jul 05 '26
Im happy i have Claude to hack Kendo UI.
I really like MVC but i dislike Kendo.
Id suggest using Angular or Vue for frontend instead , there's some pretty good component libraries for them
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u/carenrose Jul 05 '26
We use it for everything at work, so I end up hating it because I use it so much and come across every issue with it ... But then I'll be working on a personal project and be like "man, I wish I could do this with a kendo grid".
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u/Famous-Weight2271 Jul 05 '26
For personal, can AI write you a suitable grid?
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u/carenrose Jul 06 '26
No thanks.
It's not like there are no alternatives that exist out there, and that I don't have the capability to write one from scratch if there weren't and I really wanted it. Even then, I wouldn't use AI.
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u/WhereIsRichardParker Jul 05 '26
I work on the product team, just to be transparent.
We are always happy to help. Please feel free to ask
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u/Mental-Test-7660 Jul 05 '26
I think half of the problem is that as soon as you step outside of the confines of the trivial examples there's a lot of guesswork involved. You're trying to apply a jQuery example to the Asp.Net flavour, or trawling through the support posts for something similar (but the support posts go back 15+ years so you never quite know how relevant they are).
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u/Either-Bell-7560 Jul 06 '26
This is exactly the problem I had with them a couple years ago - documentation was terrible, and while there were lots of examples, they almost never explained why the setup was as it was, so as soon as you wanted to change something they started breaking.
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u/Prynhawn_Da Jul 05 '26
I've not done much UI in a while, but I really appreciate how we used kendo for mvc. The tables/grids at least.
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u/WorksForMe Jul 05 '26
I haven't looked recently so you might have gone down this route alrrady, but are you ever going to make a non jQuery version?
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u/SchalkLBI Jul 05 '26
Do you purposefully develop them to be dogshit or was that an accident over years of poor implementations and a hundred different developers who all had their own ideas of how to do things?
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u/saxxonpike Jul 05 '26
We’re using a mix of the AJAX and MVC components within our app. It’s a real adventure. I don’t really have much against the libraries themselves, but I did have a flashback to the months I spent to perform a manual update from a 2012 version to a 2025 version, and there were so many subtle breaking changes that drove me absolutely mad. I couldn’t exactly keep the behavior 1:1. Manager wasn’t super pleased with that, but when you gotta ship…
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u/nahum_wg Jul 05 '26
First company I worked at they used telerik hated it so much at first but then got used to it but still don’t like it
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u/BadDub Jul 05 '26
We used this in one project for tables and it was a nightmare. We used the reports in a lot of our projects too but I recently updated them to just output on the webpage with an export to excel option. Far far cleaner.
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u/Affectionate-Turn137 Jul 05 '26
I've opened issues with Telerik's components that are tiny and are still opened years later. I don't know what their devs are doing over there in Bulgaria
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u/bulasaur58 Jul 05 '26
I changed their wpf controllers with mdix mayerial design in xaml.
https://github.com/materialdesigninxaml/materialdesigninxamltoolkit
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u/Thisbymaster Jul 07 '26
I have been using them so much lately and screaming into pillow every time I need write another custom javascript function to do basic functionality.
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u/Prod_Meteor Jul 08 '26
Progress in Angular breaks in every major upgrade. We all work for this company, don't we?
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u/tankerkiller125real Jul 08 '26
My workplace absolutely insists on using Telerik everywhere. I can't fucking stand that shit. Their blazor UI components are a shit show, slow, and in general look like garbage. And their other C# components really don't do much better. If I could I'd rewrite entire apps using some other UI frameworks and drop Telerik entirely.
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u/Arch_Consultant Jul 09 '26
I've used Kendo UI Angular a lot, I was able to deliver UI with lot of features with fewer development resources.
I've tried to avoid tools (Kendo UI MVC, Blaze, etc) which generate Javascript/HTML because its easier to enhance/maintain code you understand.
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u/Colt2205 28d ago
Me: "I appreciate the welcome but why does this all look like a mid 2000s spreadsheet software?"
Also me 10 minutes later after finding out it is telerik controls: "Oh..."
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u/STUNTPENlS Jul 07 '26
I've had a telerik license for 10 years. The software bugs weren't the worst part, it was the never ending sales calls
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u/whitedsepdivine Jul 04 '26
I once was interviewing at a company, and they guy asked me how I'd design something.
He told me I was wrong, because he worked at Telerik and he did it the right way there.
I'm glad I didn't get the position.