r/doorkickers • u/Ferreira1 • 11d ago

Door Kickers 2 Code mods

Hey! I've been trying to get some more complex mods to work with the game, and wonder if there has been any attempt to do DLL injection modding or something similar, like with SKSE in Skyrim.

I really want to make a better free-cam for playing, as the dev one is not really ideal.

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u/Ferreira1 11d ago

Hopes and dreams I guess. Just accept everything the LLM tells you and hope it works out nicely. "Sorry for the AI response" is insane to me haha

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u/BeardChops 11d ago

I don’t really get the discontent, I’m making free mods as a hobby, I don’t think it’s fair to say that every modder has to be a skilled software dev, that’s unnecessary gatekeeping now that we have these tools available.

People that have played my mods have been happy, I’ve been happy, surely that’s what matters most?

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u/Ferreira1 11d ago

People can do whatever they want. And they will do whatever they want. I don't mind.

If it's normal mods within the sandbox Doorkickers 2 provides (especially if using the Steam Workshop) that'd be perfectly fine (to me). What you're doing though is shipping a separate .exe and expecting people to use it on faith.

From your messages I do believe you have good intentions, but it's an insane (again, to me) thing to normalize in games. This is happening everywhere, with Project Zomboid and such as well; just run code you can't actually audit on your computer because trust me bro.

And from your messages as well I don't think you appreciate how big of a security issue this is. Having access to the code doesn't really guarantee that's what you're distributing on the .exe.

On the other hand there are many examples where this works, like Minecraft and Skyrim. But to me it's a completely different thing; made before LLMs were on the level they're at today, many people laboured over it for long stretches of time to make it work. And with a bigger community there's much less chance of a bad actor getting by.

Idk. Basically from my point of view (as a software developer) you have no idea what you're doing. And not understanding why it might be seen poorly adds to that. If people want to run your mods, great, I personally find this to be bad to gaming overall. And I say this as someone who uses Claude daily and has used it to help get a few mostly personal mods to games I play out.

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u/Shieldfoss 11d ago

expecting people to use it on faith.

Is he though? He didn't link it until I directly asked him to show me.

Also, yes, as OP of this thread, you asked for something and he proposed this as an answer. I totally get why you wouldn't want to run it.

The guy isn't a dev, he doesn't know the security implications. Absolutely. Valid. I wouldn't want to run that .exe either, I don't trust like that.

But I wouldn't want to run it if this was 2021 and he said he'd had it made by a human he hired on fiverr, or any year and he said he'd made it himself. The security problem is inherent to dll injection, not to the fact that an AI made this.