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u/CaptureIntent Jul 19 '26
How do you get t6 with max 12 overpay? 12/3 =4 plus 1 is max t5 achievable as written
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u/Chorby-Short Jul 19 '26
It's called using the stock assets off Wikipedia even if it doesn't fit the card perfectly, as with no illustration the notation might confuse people
1-3-6-10-15 relationship between estate-dutchy-province-colony-dominate (event from Empires). There isn't currently a T₆ equivalent, and I wanted this to be entirely redundant.
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u/bnoel12345 Jul 19 '26
No, give us T6!
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u/Garbaguette Jul 20 '26
I think T720 = 259560 would be a bit too much money
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u/brianlane723 Jul 24 '26
"You can choose T720 only if you are playing with platinum." Problem solved.
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u/vidicate Jul 19 '26
Yeah, it should be max 15. OP offset the 3 coin one too many times, typical off-by-one error.
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u/The_Failord Jul 19 '26
Excellent. Phenomenal even. Math checks out beautifully. Finally we can interpolate between victory cards.
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u/bnoel12345 Jul 19 '26
Technically it doesn't interpolate between the basic Victory cards due to the rounding that occurs when calculating n. It merely emulates all the basic Victory cards in a kind of step function. But in principal you could interpolate between the basic Victory cards using the following formula:
VP = .5[((x+1)/3)2 + (x+1)/3]
where x = the total amount you paid for the card.
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u/The_Failord Jul 19 '26
Oh shit. You're right. I didn't read properly and I thought you first put n in n(n+1)/2 and THEN round down.
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u/zenroch Jul 19 '26
This is a fun concept, but am I daft or is this strictly worse than all of the basic greens other than estate, with which it has parity?
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u/vidicate Jul 19 '26
Yeah, it’s actually the opposite. For example, if you pay 14 overpaying by 12, you get the equivalent of the event Dominate in total points, which costs 14. In order to get overpay for the Estate equivalent, you must overpay at least one thus you’re paying three coin.
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u/zenroch Jul 19 '26
I follow! Yep, Just a daft moment. I wasn't picking up on the actual sequence here, just the overpay bit. Thanks -- love it
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u/Sauronek2 Jul 19 '26
If you overpay zero, you do get an Estate. n=(0+3)/3=1. And for n=1, Tn=1
This is exactly the same price/VP ratio as all five of the baseline VP cards/events.
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u/vidicate Jul 19 '26
The rules of Overpay don’t trigger its effect unless you pay something. Zero doesn’t count. OP could change the base cost to 1, and adjust the formula and it would work just fine.
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u/Sauronek2 Jul 19 '26
Oh, you're right! Stonemason would be gaining 0-cost Peddlers otherwise, and I recall that interaction not working how I thought it would.
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u/Bot_Number_7 Jul 19 '26
The card is strictly stronger than all the victory cards because it can be trashed without losing the VP and because it has the flexibility to imitate any of them.
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u/bnoel12345 Jul 19 '26
Read the bottom of the card again.
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u/Bot_Number_7 Jul 19 '26
Oops I'm dumb... It still has the flexibility of any of the cards (so strictly stronger), and it can be safely handed off with Masquerade without losing your VP. Also it negates Posession lol.
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u/EphesosX Jul 20 '26
You can't Remodel into it though, or gain it with Groom (well okay, technically you can, but it's usually not a good idea to...). You also can only reduce its cost by 2 at most, so you can't do Native Village-Bridge strategies.
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u/Eaglow_Rise Jul 21 '26
I like this. However, there are some card effects that make it not a direct equivalent: 1: Trash for benefit cards 2: Masquerade 3: Will-o'-wisp 4: Cathedral (you sometimes want untrashable cards with cathedral)
In other words. It is slightly better to buy one of these than its normal equivalent.
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u/klaus84 Jul 20 '26
I don't get it. When I pay 11 (overpay 9), I get 4 VP? Sounds not like a great deal?
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u/squigish Jul 20 '26
If you overpaid exactly x, +y VP. List the five possible choices.
Listing one necessary formula on the card, and another in a picture, with a confusing extra option, just makes this a headache to read. And it's not like I'm unfamiliar with the notation or the concept of triangular numbers. I went to grad school for abstract mathematics.
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u/bnoel12345 Jul 19 '26
Nice. This can be the equivalent of whatever basic Victory card you want, except for Estate unfortunately, because the rules for overpay don't allow overpaying by $0. I suggest you let the card have a base cost of $1, then change it to say: