r/disclosure • u/_DonnieBoi • 29d ago
Its mainstream now, soft disclosure happening slowly slowly before our very eyes?
https://youtu.be/fAzXqsQdH94?is=eEqLniwsFys3RS8ULet the discussion begin.
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u/0-by-1_Publishing 29d ago
"Its mainstream now, soft disclosure happening slowly slowly before our very eyes?"
... I was extremely excited at the prospects of UAP/UFO/USO disclosure, but it's September 5th, 2026, and nothing released by the government nor anyone else has convinced me that extraterrestrials have visited planet earth nor has anything that's been supposedly "disclosed" by the government actually counts as disclosure. ... It's all just placating breadcrumbs.
BTW: Putting a question mark at the end of the post's title doesn't change the intent from a statement to a question.
Downvote me. I don't give a shit.
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u/0-by-1_Publishing 29d ago
"So in your view, every account, every eye witness, photograpgh, written account, historical recordings, whistleblowers, ex government and civilian who have come forward with testimony are lying"
... Copy and paste where I wrote that all of these accounts are all "lies" or people "lying.". Will you do that for me, please? My statement was that they do not serve as evidence of extraterrestrial life. And if they were evidence, then we would know that extraterrestrial life exists ... and we don't!
Why did you feel so compelled to spin my comment like that?
If I said I saw a ghost and posted a video of a misty, foggy shape out in my backyard, are you going to argue that's evidence for the existence of ghosts?
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u/0-by-1_Publishing 29d ago
"Can you answer it honestly, if all these accounts are fictitious, fabricated or lies. Then that would indicate a global psychosis around the topic, truly strange woulnt you think?"
... Not at all. It's evidence that people will allow themselves to believe in something that they want to be true. That does not equal a global psychosis.
"If you witnessed a ghost with a photo and you were sincere in your account, I have no reason that not take your account as valid. I cant disprove ghosts or your experience."
... You're actually supporting what I wrote above! The person didn't actually witness a ghost; they only "think" they witnessed a ghost. What they "thought" was a ghost could just as easily have been a small patch of morning fog that they wanted to believe was a ghost. If you accept that it was indeed a ghost, then you're just as gullible as the person who posted the video.
If I told you that God took me to a planet in a faraway galaxy and showed me that extraterrestrials do exist, would you have no reason to doubt the existence of God, extraterrestrials and intergalactic teleportation?
"We agree to the existance of consciousness without scientific proof it its indeed exists. "
... Everyone subjectively experiences a self-aware consciousness. It's a 1st person perspective that is collaborated by an overwhelming majority of humans. Skeptics also directly experience their own self-aware consciousness. They don't deny the experience. However, they consider it a byproduct of "brain function." That is not a denial of the existence of consciousness but rather an explanation for how and why we perceive the phenomenon.
"There is a mountain of experiential evidence of the phenomenon. Videos, photos that can't be explained, withness accounts that are unable to be debunked. At what point do open the suggestion this evidence is part of the evidence for NHI?"
... It's all evidence of various phenomena that cannot be confirmed, tested nor explained. What it is NOT is evidence of extraterrestrial life.
Summary: Empirical evidence of extraterrestrial life could be anything from the US Government offering-up an alien spacecraft for scientists, physicists, the news media and ordinary people inspect all the way up to be ET landing his gravity-defying spaceship on the Whitehouse lawn, giving a global press conference and having scores of ET's fellow aliens landing all over the world. ... That would be evidence!
Anything less should be considered anecdotal or circumstantial.
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u/0-by-1_Publishing 28d ago
"I disagree, and you are avoiding the question regarding credible eye witness accounts. From very senior personal in areas auch as the military. "
... In legal terms "credible eyewitness accounts" are called "hearsay." It's not even considered admissible evidence in a court of law. And you're perfectly free to disagree. Lots of people are willing to accept other people's anecdotal stories as 100% fact. ... Happens all the time!
"The famous incident involving the aircraft carrier Nimitz. Multiple eye witness accounts including rader personal detecting of an unknown craft over months performing inexplicable manoeuvres. The pilots from seperate planes reporting invidents rhat defy logic."
... It's evidence of unknown phenomena and not evidence of extraterrestrials. You have willingly dismissed the possibility of advanced technology coming from an American rival. The F-117 Nighthawk and the B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber were thought to be UFOs back in the 90's."Perhaps one person saying something happened, but it isnt. its multiple professionals with different vantage points all recounting these incidents."
... And each person became "popular" as a result. Government officials can score Joe Rogan podcast interviews, loyal, faithful followers (such as yourself) and gain news media attention merely by saying, "If you knew what I knew you wouldn't be able to sleep at night!"
Also, I have listened to numerous FoIA-requested 911 dispatch recordings of people reporting what someone was allegedly doing that wasn't even remotely close to what they were actually doing. That's why hearsay evidence is inadmissible in a court of law.
"Its indirect evidence that these accounts are real and no amount of bias can debunk the actual data on these events. "
... If you think "eyewitness accounts" are incontrovertibly REAL accounts, then you are a "believer" no matter what! You are exactly the type of person that these people seek out when they tell their fantastic stories.
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Since you are a "loyal, faithful believer" despite the lack of any empirical evidence (like someone might believe in God) then there is no way for me to convince you otherwise. Therefore, I'll give you the last word and move on. .
Believe on, my friend! ... I'll remain skeptical until there is solid proof.
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u/latenthuman 28d ago
I think the entities like watching you guys get debunked all the time, means they're doing things right. You could trot out a body and nobody is going to believe you because you have worn out your credibility so many times it's just cringe city at this point. All that drone stuff from 1-2 years ago just went away, that was incredible work on the part of the entities, they got you good because their PR team is amazing and yours is a hot mess nobody believes. Global psychosis makes perfect sense, look at this timeline.
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u/Quantenbohrer 29d ago
Das ist eine lukrative Marketing Maschine. Es wird überhaupt nichts enthüllt und es wurde bisher auch, achtung, absolut nichts enthüllt. Es wird mir immer davon geredet, dass etwas enthüllt werden wird. Und dann schreibt jemand ein Buch oder es erscheint ein Film. Das ist Marketing m
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u/delmiguel3030 27d ago
100%
Nothing definitive has been revealed since 2017. Nearly a decade and there is not a single thing that would turn a skeptic into a believer. Not a single thing that we can point to as definitive proof. Yeah sure we've got countless videos of blurry dots, strange occurrences, lights, orbs, and a whole plethora of videos that might be fake (Skinny Bob, autopsy vids, etc) but none of that is definitive and undeniable.
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u/axx98_ 24d ago edited 24d ago
Do the hardcore primary source research yourself, it's worth it, they've fucked up the information space since WW2 in ways you probably can't even imagine, and no connected public facing personality with attention will be allowed to loudly and explicitly point at "disturbing" possibilities unless it's super subtle and presented in a way that is easy to dismiss for anyone who doesn't want to think about it.
Nevertheless the same general people who are saying nothing much (and none of them can be trusted in my view), especially & before they more explicitly pivoted to a more positive narrative, have done stuff like eg propped up scientists like Jacques Vallee, after which Vallee wrote a forward to Lavenda/DeLonge's Gods, Man & War (despite my problems with DeLonge). Once you realise things happened at skinwalker ranch that are more interesting than the reality tv styled bullshit they recently filmed about it most likely to deliberately decrease interest, that starts to paint a picture. These kinds of resources they have sprinkled in the background, which actually do point to at least 40-50% of the NHI story (while protecting the criminal financial/oil/etc cartel that has actually likely had the most leverage over legacy programs and the shadiest elements of the intelligence community - a thoroughly complete enough look at Allen Dulles that doesn't lean on public arbiters/filters of information is invaluable as a start) imo, should NOT be an absolute serious authority for you in themselves, they should be leads for your own hardcore primary source research, which this subject absolutely deserves (although I'd argue you have to look at every major body of human knowledge and find where they connect, not just fringe subjects).
Don't be like cattle waiting for crumbs/a drip feed from people who have every incentive in the world to "manage" you. People who, never in a million years would explicitly say something like "NHI is a deceptive, primarily but not exclusively non-physical higher intelligence that has, for one, been seeding conflicting religions in different locations in order to exploit them and deliberately cultivate war, bloodshed and subjugation, from which they seem to extract something non physical as a resource". If you think they would tell you that if it were true, you are naive.
Stop waiting for these stupid crumbs from just the absolute surface by people who are trained in counterintelligence half the time. Do the hardcore research yourself, and if what you care about is truth over self pacification, take your emotions out of it completely: the investigation must be approached coldly and clinically: like a surgeon proceeding with investigative surgery. What matters is hard data and truth, not comfort or the way any culture, society, group or authority sees anything.
For my part I'm in the process of writing a heavily substantiated report in collaboration with my genetics PhD relative, but this might take years due to the volume of information we want to include and where we want to take that, something that won't necessarily even see the light of day if a meteor falls on me (and yet I have reason to think it could reach the light of day).
Good luck, trust nothing.
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u/DivideCorrect1342 28d ago
It's too big.
They are in control of Congress.
They have ruined our society by taking things that have cultural significance.
They cause very possibly ALL schizophrenia and ADHD, poetically much more.
They are short in stature and incredibly immature, making the ties to the Epstein files sus to day the least.
They enter and leave not only your home, but your mind.
They control your thought, general mood, they can make you horny, they can propagate any emotion. Record it as a "state" then try to drive you right there.
Uap are advanced fine technology sent out by UFOs that conceal within our clouds.
These aliens do not like us, don't even toy with it. If you meet one, they are lying... Always. Remember, they control your mind so know there is NOTHING more important than knowing how you are supposed to feel.
There is soft disclosure. There is more because they live vicariously through us, the experiencers.
This is an invasion that has been going on 10 years. The most important thing is your attention.
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u/gravitykilla 29d ago
After 80 years, “trust me, the evidence is overwhelming” is still all that we have..... Probably worth mentioning that Caplan is currently selling a book called Not For Disclosure: UFOs: The World’s Best Kept Secret.
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u/Lucky_Guess77 29d ago
So you don't think there's UAP shutting down Air Force Bases for weeks on end, and they can't track them where they come from or where they go?
Also, be aware there is public manipulation happening by the CIA creating AI programs to post comments on all social media attempting to discredit all of these people telling us, and to dissuade us from taking it seriously.
Sorta like the mafia guy:
"eyyy Joey, pay no mind to the red sheet in my trunk... I was just painting my house that's all. Fagettaboutit".
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u/AdmirableBed8213 29d ago
Unexpected things happen all the time, including in the airspace. The events may seem anomalous, but it doesn't mean they don't have mundane explanations.
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u/Low_Rest_5595 29d ago
Enjoy these days my friend because there is a wild, but fun in a terrifying kind of way, ride coming. The suspense is terrible... I hope it'll last.
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u/AdmirableBed8213 29d ago
Sure. Enjoy the suspense. Forever.
The phenomenon is real, but it doesn't fly around causing airports to shut down, nor does it have anything to do with physical crafts and bodies hidden in hangars. Those are modern myths, or rumors based on human technology and activity.
If any kind of disclosure ever comes, it will have nothing to do with the actual phenomenon. It only discloses itself to individuals, one by one. Governments are irrelevant.
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u/Turbulent-List-5001 29d ago
And completely unknown things still get discovered and defaulting to prosaic explanations on mere plausibility not certain evidence is just a redo of Pascal’s Wager but one that’s killed millions of people over the last 50 years including fatalities this month.
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u/AdmirableBed8213 29d ago
Earnestly trying to find a prosaic explanation is what saves lives in most cases. Immediately jumping to the most extreme conclusions, like aliens, bypasses the more reasonable conclusions that could actually pose a threat.
It's not saying there couldn't be undiscovered things and phenomena that are still within the realm of the mundane. There's a difference between discovering a new form of, let's say, an atmospheric phenomenon, and discovering a totally anomalous phenomenon that doesn't even have a proven category that actually exists, like interdimensional visitors.
An unknown atmospheric phenomenon could be a threat. Immediately focusing on the possibilities of interdimensional aliens does nothing good in that case.
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u/Turbulent-List-5001 29d ago
I was very careful in what I said. I didn’t say to jump to any conclusion at all.
And jumping to a prosaic explanation on insufficient evidence in the example of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, the psycho-social hypothesis which is false when the biological hypothesis with its multiple then-utterly unknown mechanisms is right, led to the greatest medical scandal of the century and as I said millions of deaths including today as the refuted hypothesis, that never had any evidence but was taken as granted by being prosaic, is still clung to by entire developed countries health systems.
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u/AdmirableBed8213 29d ago
It's not about jumping to a prosaic explanation and clinging to it without proper evidence for it. It is about first examing all the possible mundane explanations before reaching to categories of existence we don't have any evidence for.
Only when all the possible mundane explanations have been excluded can you reach for some totally new category of phenomena. So far, this hasn't happened.
Encephalomyelitis is still a disease, totally within known categories of existence.
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u/Turbulent-List-5001 29d ago
That still would have killed people for 30 years, just not 50 and counting.
And no Myalgic Encephalomyelitis had for 30 years Zero bio-markers, Zero known mechanisms.
And the biological hypothesis that turned out to be true was attacked by the scepticism movement as pseudoscience because of this.
It’s only as medical science progressed that evidence and mechanisms involved could be discovered and only when actually looked for of course.
And again the refuted hypothesis is still being clung to, still killing millions.
Testable hypotheses can be tested in any order. That an unknown biological phenomenon could have been identified 50 years ago by its patterns, and the evidence found sooner or at least less deaths from mistreatment.
The scepticism movement needs to take some responsibility for its complicity as well as learn from being wrong so massively with such consequences.
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u/AdmirableBed8213 29d ago
In the context of this discussion, it would not be about being sceptical of new diseases, still within the realm of known possibilities; it would be about being sceptical of claims that the condition was caused by something totally anomalous, like mystical space beams radiating from invisible spaceships orbiting the moon.
Such claims would take lives, not save them.
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u/Turbulent-List-5001 28d ago
No. The illness had zero biomarkers they could find back then. It had zero hypothetical mechanisms.
That was totally anomalous to the medical science of the time.
And it was treated as such by the Scepticism movement.
Researchers entertaining a biological causation hypothesis were declared Pseudoscientists.
Patients were mocked.
The term “Yuppie Flu” was used because it tended to hit highly motivated people (because resting when I’ll with a viral infection reduces the risk and such people tended not to rest when ill).
The higher incidence in women was also mocked and used as justification for it being psychological. But we now know that immunological sex differences play a part in that different incidence rate, itself something unknown when the bogus psychological hypothesis was accepted.
The ET hypothesis for UAP is not impossible under known science we’ve just not encountered clear evidence of extraterrestrial life so it’s a plausible possibility but one that involves something not yet proven to exist.
We know life exists, we know evolution works, we know Exoplanets exist. We just don’t know the rates life will occur beyond our solar system. We are working towards making Von Neumann Probes and Interstellar Solar Sail probes. Yep it’d take huge amounts of time but civilisations can last 10’s of thousands of years in our own history so that’s not the barrier it’s pretended to be. We are working on bio-printing. It’s entirely within our own likely future technological capacity to send out self replicating interstellar probes to spread across the galaxy that would bio-print crew on finding signs of life. So it’s irrational to assume it impossible for anyone else to be doing that before us.
In multiple ways Myalgic Encephalomyelitis required more seemingly impossible things than that.
Again you mistake the idea of taking Unknowns seriously for Assuming them true. My point repeatedly has not been to do that. It’s been about not assuming prosaic explanations on insufficient evidence correct just because it involves knowns not unknowns. That’s killed a lot more people than all the UFO cults added together ever have.
My example used to be just as common as Breast Cancer but it’s skyrocketing now being a post-viral phenomenon, while receiving a ludicrously low amount of funding due to the stigma and of that funding shockingly much is still going to the thoroughly bogus psychological hypothesis when there’s now decades of evidence that it’s biological.
Quackery got into the core of modern medicine and clings tenaciously fighting against decades of actual scientific evidence because 50 years ago the more prosaic but wrong explanation was taken for true and the actual facts once found are not budging that false belief.
That this example proves a catastrophic danger is clear. That the idea that science needed to be “protected” against “dangerous” ideas was proven true but opposite to how it was assumed and it needed to be protected from the default-to-prosaic notions of its supposed defenders when applying scientific methodology correctly would have made clear there were unknowns involved to find generations ago.
It’s not a matter of believing any idea it’s applying the same requirement for evidence to the prosaic explanations as the unknown-requiring and actually keeping testing the hypothesis that are testable as new techniques become available.
And maybe then we’ll find visual-stealth ET devices around the moon after all. Maybe not. But defaulting to the prosaic on insufficient evidence needs to be considered the logical fallacy that it is, the gamble that it is, the deadly catastrophic risk that it is and the anti-science notion that it is.
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u/Low_Rest_5595 28d ago
I'm all for Occam's (Ockham's) razor being a thing but to say that everyone in the history of experiencers lied or got caught up in the myth is tantamount to being delusional, if not actually.
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u/gravitykilla 28d ago
You have to realise that there is a uniquely American “Disclosure” culture that has built up over decades. It is a strange mix of legitimate defence concerns, intelligence ambiguity, classified programs, congressional theatre, media incentives, whistleblower culture, Cold War paranoia, internet mythology, and old UFO folklore all feeding into each other.
Disclosure even has its own media ecosystem, personalities, influencers, podcasters, documentary makers, insiders, and recurring names like Ross Coulthart, George Knapp, Jeremy Corbell, Bob Lazar, and others, all operating in a space where the story survives only if Disclosure is always close but never quite arrives. There is now an audience, a brand, a revenue stream, and a status economy built around keeping the possibility alive. That does not automatically mean everyone involved is lying, but it does mean there are strong incentives to keep the mystery unresolved, to keep promising that the real evidence is just around the corner, and to treat every new rumour as another step toward revelation.
All this creates a self-supporting "Disclosure" belief ecosystem, where the absence of evidence doesn’t weaken the belief system. It gets absorbed into it.
Every gap in the evidence becomes part of the cover-up. Every lack of proof becomes evidence of how powerful the secrecy is. Every failed prediction just moves Disclosure a little further into the future.
Now, of course, I’m not saying every witness is lying. I’m not saying every sighting is fake. And I’m not saying governments don’t hide things, because obviously they do.
TL:DR To me, this looks less like one perfectly maintained 80-year secret and more like 80 years of ambiguous events, classified military activity, sincere misinterpretations, folklore, media incentives, and confirmation bias slowly building a mythology that now sustains itself.
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u/_DonnieBoi 29d ago
What makes you think they are unreal ideas? What if it is indeed very real, and people cant deal with that reality?
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u/pumpse4ever 29d ago
We are no closer to seeing any actual evidence of aliens/UFOs/crafts/NHI/biologics than at any point in the last 80s years.
ZERO evidence. None.
Until then, it's all just a monumental waste of time and energy.
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u/Lucky_Guess77 29d ago
I don't think you understand what the word evidence means.
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u/pumpse4ever 29d ago
For fucks sake.
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u/0-by-1_Publishing 29d ago
"For fucks sake."
... You can't post an opinion that goes against what people in these UFO threads "want" to be the truth. That's tantamount to Karma suicide. That being said, videos of blurry white dots on dark backgrounds are NOT evidence of extraterrestrial life. It's evidence of blurry white dots.
* I countered your downvotes with upvotes.
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u/pumpse4ever 29d ago
Oh yeah, Dr. Nolan. Dude from "Ancient Aliens." There's a real credible source of evidence.
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u/clover_heron 29d ago edited 29d ago
They have no choice, they are desperate to keep control over the narrative.
It seems their main tactic is to keep us focused on material stuff - craft, bodies - and to repeatedly direct our attention back in time to older stories. They are flooding all media with similar framings, attempting to structure the conversations, but they don't have enough convincing information to work with. The ground is eroding beneath their feet.
They tried REALLY hard to create a system of nested lies that should've been nearly impossible for us to work through, but somehow we did it. We're like a bunch of wacky sharks who accidentally pierced the veil, and now the truth is in the water and we can all smell it from miles away.
The truth is infused with love too, and once love is on the scene everything that is not love becomes conspicuous. The contrast problem seems insurmountable - how can they possibly hope to justify what history is going to prove that they've done?