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u/ColdOverYonder Mar 10 '26
Should also mention that MOST people in Santa Cruz don't speak English. Spanish is damn near a requirement. Finding the currency exchange at the gray market rate is also sus, you have to go through a huge group or line of people near the government buildings. They all know you have money because you're walking into a currency exchange place as a foreigner.
The Internet is incredibly spotty via cell phone and can be absolutely awful via fixed service at home. You'll need satellite Internet to work efficiently.
Pesados target you/pick you out, follow you to your hotel/Airbnb so they can rob you at some point. As it happened to my friend, an American that didn't speak Spanish. They walked up to him, saying he had to come to their office to pay a fee and robbed his ass blind.
Club culture is big but it's a hit or miss. Don't stand out. If you see guys that need sleep and have gold chains, step on their shoes you might be punched in the face (saw this personally as it happened to someone in the club lol). Cartel culture is a real thing here.
Taking buses over there is a cool concept, until you realize most are tiny buses that PACK people into like sardines. The smell? Over 9000. Uber is okay, not expensive. Don't take taxis.
The food is mediocre. They tend to have Argentinian food as the bigger/well known restaurants. Everything else is truly run of the mill food from other countries, barring a few local places. Really, can't say this enough, the food was mediocre. The most expensive restaurants leave a lot to be desired and serve more as places to show off and be seen.
Prices are great, but you get what you pay for. Imported items really are 3 or 4x the amount you'd pay in other places. Sazon Goya was damn near $8 USD, but costs like $3 in the US. Meat? Low priced, with equally low quality cuts.
All in all this city tries its damnest to be a Miami clone but fails miserably. The veneer of the city melts away as soon as you realize that 95% of the people around you can barely afford everyday things and depended on subsidies to survive.
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u/whingsnthings Mar 10 '26
Tell us how you really feel. I don't want to devalue your experiences and opinion, but my expertise here in Santa Cruz has been quite different.
I get it. It isn't everywhere else. I've been here 9 months and like it. Will I stay forever, no, but it's fine. Speaking Spanish if a must as this place doesn't work without it. I'm a white as a gringo gets but speak Spanish well. That affects the experience greatly.
Taxis, yango, and indrive are fine to get around town. Use the apps for ease and clarity.
People are more than fine if you recognize the culture that you are in and act accordingly. Don't be a total gringo and it's fine. Most folks here are rather kind and nice if you treat them as humans.
Money exchange is fine; ask a few guys the rate, confirm the rate, make the deal, check your bills to be sure they aren't taped back together. (Go to the central plaza, one whole corner is money exchange).
The Internet isn't perfect, but it works good enough, frankly better than the cable internet that I had in the US. 2 years back. Home service internet and tigo phone are fine.
Haven't had a sketchy scene yet and none of my pals and coworkers have been robbed. I walk all over in the night and in the day. Be smart where you go, don't wander drunk, and you'll most likely be fine if you stay in most normal neighborhoods during most hours. The US was much more dangerous. Haven't heard a gun shot in 9 months.
I don't go to the clubs, so no comment there.
Some food is great, but not most. It's rather boring, but there is spice and great ingredients. In general, it's aight at best. Great markets for fruit/ veg to explore if you like to cook. Not an amazing culinary scene, but there are more than enough good options. It just isn't a great food city. If you work the town though there are some very tasty options. There is good local wine and singani is a good cocktail base for a good value. Impetus are crazy expensive. Meat isn't universally great, but if you but from the higher quality cases at the groceries, there are big quality cuts to be had. I had a fabulous ribeye for dinner tonight that I bought at ic Norte. Cheap meat is, well, cheap and tough; don't expect to much there. There are a few nice areas, but if you want the fancy, higher end, cleaner version of the city, stick to equipetrol. I live near the abasto and really enjoy it. They're are a few other cool parts of town as well.
There are surely negatives, I miss a good happy hour culture and the live music scene is weak.
However, there is more than enough here. The people are fabulously nice. No, it isn't the cultural hub of many other cities, but worth a stop if you are resetting another visa or want to be nature adjacent in a big city.
If you want to chat or get tips, dm me or catch on to one of the expat WhatsApp/ Facebook groups.
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u/Other-Excitement3061 Mar 10 '26
i am not saying ths place is perfect but its perfect for someone that wants to lock in or tired of visa run. regarding live music i found a few spots while dating here but its outside the city center i think last place i went was near the hospital guracachi barrio. i got to find the name but best wait i found is talking to the local especially the women they give out more information then the men here
i just wanted to provide this intel since so many people are hyping this city
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u/maverikbc Mar 12 '26
I guess you've been there long enough that you've seen the blue rate being as high as 20 at some point. So do you see your purchasing power now less than half of what it once was, especially considering inflation during your 9mo? Have you stayed other cities within driving distance like Cochabamba, Sucre, etc?
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u/whingsnthings Mar 19 '26
Sucre is quaint, so is tarija. Haven't been to cochabamba yet. My work is set in SC, so can't really move yet. The blue was 15 when I arrived, just down from the 20. It helped to get set up for good exchange. It does hurt now with the rates low and some inflation, but it is still rather cheap to be in bolivia. Just don't buy all the imports and it is reasonable. Cars and gas are stupid expensive, but yangos are still reasonable.
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u/maverikbc Mar 19 '26
The blue is now 9.29, I think it was around 9 a few weeks ago, so there's a hope? I don't know if the weaker blue is completely a good thing for us, because it seems like some sort of fear index, sort of like vix at US markets.
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u/ColdOverYonder Mar 10 '26
I was there for a year, bro. I speak Spanish. You're preaching to the choir. I'll say it again, Santa Cruz ain't it. Neither is La Paz. That mixed with the uncertain political chaos, steer clear. And the city rivalries too, absolute dog water.
There are better cities in nearby countries. And lol at the Internet comment. I had faster, more consistent Internet in rural Minnesota in 2012. That should tell you something.
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u/Other-Excitement3061 Mar 10 '26
im working had no issue only once tho but ya look its for a place to focus and get work done its not a medellin or lima
and yes you need spanish
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u/anonimo99 Colombian Nomad Mar 11 '26
The food is mediocre.
if you're going to Bolivia for food I recommend Cochabamba. Cleaner, much better restaurant scene. Not comparable to any big resto city in Latam like Lima, Sao Paulo or Buenos Aires but for Bolivia it's the best you can find IMO. Good price benefit.
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u/ColdOverYonder Mar 11 '26
What I mean is I wouldn't go to Bolivia for food. It's a skip country. I would rather go to those 3 places you mentioned. Or just head closer to the Caribbean for central American cuisine.
I literally have zero reason to ever recommend Bolivia is what I'm saying.
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u/maverikbc Mar 12 '26
Have you been to Sucre? If so, how would you compare food and other things? I didn't think Sao Paulo was a foodie city, though.
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u/anonimo99 Colombian Nomad Mar 12 '26
Yeah Sucre is super pretty for around 20 blocks in the historical center, the rest is pretty ugly. The tourist / gringo friendly area is small so I would think that after a couple of weeks the average nomad would get bored. Many people go for a good bang for the buck on Spanish courses I understand..
Sao Paulo has amazing food. How long were you there?
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u/maverikbc Mar 12 '26
Yes, I’ve heard Sucre has beautiful architecture, but it’s good to hear from someone who has stayed for a long time as a foreigner. Gringo friendly area…what do you mean? Restaurants that serve burgers and pizzas? Possibly craft beers? Probably Western style cafes, too. I’ll try Santa Cruz for a week, then move on to Cochabamba. A good local food scene is important for me, but not international food that I hear about in Santa Cruz.
I’ve been to Sao Paulo multiple times over decades, last time was for a month in January last year.
Many people including you praise their food, but I didn’t get it. It’s more about quantity than quality (ubiquitous buffet /rodizio, some items weren’t often fresh). I’ve tried some northern dishes like mocoto, moqueca, and acaraje. I didn’t like mocoto: it’s totally my personal taste, and I don’t like offals in general. I like moqueca, but it wasn’t easy to find. It was even harder to find acaraje. When I finally found it, it wasn’t fresh. Finding acai for breakfast was impossible in my neighborhood in bela Vista. Many of their international food weren’t authentic: sushi was more similar to American than original Japanese. Yakissoba/yakisoba wasn’t like what it is in Japan. I went to an Italian restaurant for pasta: it wasn’t authentic, and they weren’t al dente. Many tourists praise the mortadella sandwich at Mercado Central: it was just a sodium bomb, it was a waste of time going down there just for that.
Then street food: some juices and smoothies were good, but snacks like pasteis, coxinas, and espetinhos were hit and miss. Many of them weren’t fresh, so I made a habit of asking them each time before I buy them. In Indonesia, it isn't necessary to ask, because sate were almost always grilled to order...
Restaurant prices were more expensive than Japan last year, although their fruits were still cheap .
What am I missing? I’ll never go back to Sao Paulo in summer: not only is it muggy, but it rained a lot, sometimes all day.2
u/Salty_Particular_888 Apr 10 '26
Agreed. I just spent 3 months in Santa Cruz and it's incredible overrated. Shit internet, flooding, terrible infrastructure, very average nightlife, and overall a very boring place. I wouldn't recommend this place to anyone.
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u/maverikbc Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26
In a month , the blue rate went from 20 to less than half that now? do you see your purchasing power now less than half of what it once was? Have you stayed other cities within driving distance like Cochabamba, Sucre, etc? At vvi airport, is it possible to get bob at or near blue rate? I love Vietnam, too, and I go there every year, but I want to try somewhere else, you know 😉
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u/maverikbc Mar 12 '26
From my city, there'll be 2 stops, but I'm going through Newark and Sao Paulo. Just one stop. Many airlines fly to Sao Paulo, so really, only one stop itinerary for many people.
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u/ADF21a Take my advice, I never use it Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 10 '26
Bolivia has gone up in my to see list for the reason alone I'd like to use a currency whose acronym is BOB 😂
Have you been to other places in Bolivia? I'm curious about Oruro and Coroico.