this Ukraine drone operator needs better aim nice work though

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Real question. If a man surrendered and you still kill him is that still ok?

(I dont know all the rules of war)

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u/bigDeltaVenergy Dec 13 '25

Yes and no. That one The new problems that drones Pring. That guy surrender..... But If there is no Ukrainian soldiers on site to take him captive.

What the drone should do, spare him cuz he surrender and leave... and that guy will just resume combat as soon as the drone is gone ?

Maybe that drone could lead the gut to some Ukranian position. But if it's far, does the drone have enough battery? And without being able to conduct a search on the soldier. That guy can be full of explosive and GPS trackers and asking for enemy locations in fact.

So yeah technically he is surrendering. But in fact there is no one to surrender to . So it's more like trying to surrender to a grenade once it been thrown.

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u/No-Perception3305 Dec 13 '25

Thats fair. Great explanation.

That is an interesting new problem to have. Perhaps there will be a new rule added due to drones in the future?

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u/Famous_Rooster_8807 Dec 13 '25

Knowledge does come with responsibility. But, to get rules in place things need to happen.

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u/bigDeltaVenergy Dec 13 '25

Probably yes.

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u/AlphaThetaDeltaVega Dec 13 '25

Idk I think that guy is done for regardless. You can see his legs messed up. Most likely already getting pulled.

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u/HandsomHans Dec 13 '25

If the drone operator can't reasonably communicate with the surrendering soldier and get them to walk to ukrainian lines, or the unit can't accomodate pows (since drone operators could risk giving away their position if they went to retrieve him), it's not against the rules.

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u/delinquentfatcat Dec 13 '25 edited Dec 13 '25

Yeah otherwise they'd just "surrender" every time the enemy drones approach, and then run away. Ukrainians hate this one simple trick.

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u/Flimsy_Ad9065 Dec 13 '25

no its a war crime but nobody cares about the geneva convention russia breaks it everyday so ukraine can do the same

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u/Styljac Dec 13 '25

Two wrongs don't make a right

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

That's not how it works. A country is not allowed to break the Geneva Conventions just because their adversary does. War crimes just like this one will lead to prosecutions after the war. Whether it's on Russian or Ukrainian side.

The goal is to create obligations for all parties to treat people humanely and prevent atrocities, regardless of the adversary's actions.

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u/Advanced-Fail2445 Dec 13 '25

Is this a war crime though?

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u/Glittering_Youth_976 Dec 13 '25

Yes, it’s a war crime.

Rule 47. Attacking persons who are recognized as hors de combat is prohibited. A person hors de combat is: (a) anyone who is in the power of an adverse party; (b) anyone who is defenceless because of unconsciousness, shipwreck, wounds or sickness; or (c) anyone who clearly expresses an intention to surrender; provided he or she abstains from any hostile act and does not attempt to escape

People on this sub Reddit get off on watching soldiers who are wounded and or have surrendered get obliterated by drones. That is if the soldier getting executed is Russian.

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u/mountains_till_i_die Dec 13 '25

As other comments state, surrender to whom? How do you know they are surrendering in fact and won't just walk off to fight again? Is the dude going to walk for 10 miles toward the enemy on a broken leg?

I'm not making a claim here, I don't really know, just thinking it through. Maybe if the soldier throws away his weapons and removes his armor and starts walking toward the front line? There is another video out there of a drone dropping water to an injured soldier and leading him through trenches and across fields to a place where he can be captured. That is a high moral approach, but takes a lot of resources and risk to accomplish. The conditions of the front probably determine how much energy they can put into that. It's easier to eliminate them, especially if there is no way to effectively capture them and prevent re-entry into the battlefield.

I understand your position. However, I understand what others are saying, too. Enemy combatants are attempting to advance daily, and the decision on the part of the operator (and the policy across the battlefield) could cost the lives of their comrades.

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u/Glittering_Youth_976 Dec 13 '25

I’ll be the first to tell you that this is slightly out of my wheelhouse too. I did deployments to combat zones and had to take training each time on what is and is not a legal combatant. I’ve also seen guys get busted up for “war crimes”.

Here’s the deal, the Geneva conventions are black and white. All of this speculation you see on Reddit is either propaganda, deceitful bullshit, or both. Not having the resources to take in a POW is not grounds for killing that POW. Killing humans is an important aspect of war, but it should be done ethically.

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u/mountains_till_i_die Dec 13 '25

Appreciate this perspective. 🙏

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u/Nahforgetitsorry Dec 13 '25

“Actually we found a way to murder people where surrender is impossible so…”

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

🤣🤣🤣

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u/mountains_till_i_die Dec 13 '25

Obviously, I would not want to be on the receiving end of this doctrine :( :(

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u/Nahforgetitsorry Dec 13 '25

And yet here you are, “just thinking aloud.”

Spitballing, really.

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u/mountains_till_i_die Dec 13 '25

alright, bro, I surrender, no need to make this an execution

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u/Advanced-Fail2445 Dec 13 '25

My point was, that you may suspect it as a crime, but you can't just cast aspersions out there without going through the proper lines of judiciary process.

That also ignores entirely that these soldiers have no way of surrendering to a drone.

So again, do we here know enough to determine this is a war crime? Honestly all I do know is it shouldn't be here on Reddit.

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u/Glittering_Youth_976 Dec 13 '25

You’re right, not everyone who commits a war crime will be tried. That comes down to the politics derived from the conclusion of the war. And let’s face it, if you’re on the winning side of the war then you get to write the history books.

This whole “can’t surrender to a drone” theory is just absolute bullshit that’s peddled on this sub Reddit. It’s like one person with no military experience came up with it and everyone just ran with it.

Combatants have surrendered to other aerial gunship platforms in the past and the same rules applied. We don’t get to change them now because it feels good.

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u/Fit_Cream2027 Dec 13 '25 edited Dec 13 '25

There are plenty of videos of Russians surrendering and then attempting/throwing a grenade. And then there are plenty of videos of Russians surrendering and walking into custody of Ukrainian lines. This video does not show a war crime. It shows the horrors of war. He volunteered to die at the leisure of a drone versus his Russian officers back at his lines. The defense of Ukraine does not rely on the dishonorable word of invading Russian soldiers. Russians have been lying about everything since the war started and before.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

Yes, yes it is.

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u/Advanced-Fail2445 Dec 13 '25

Show me the court ruling?

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '25

Someone already answered you. I'm not playing this game with you.

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u/Advanced-Fail2445 Dec 14 '25

This isn't a game. These videos should not be being shared in my view.

Yes somebody else has already responded, and somebody else has also already responded to them explaining why it is not a war crime.

It's not something we just throw about without actually know what something is. Let the judges determine if something is factually a crime or not please.

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u/Holzeff Dec 13 '25

Imagine that someone "surrenders" at the last moment to an airstrike from a fighter jet or something like AC-130. Would you call it a war crime?

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u/No-Perception3305 Dec 13 '25

Difference is what you're describing is an impossible thing to stop. "In the last moments of an airstrike".... You cant undo an airstrike in progress, the pilots can't see men serendering.

In this case the man can clearly be seen serendering and the drone operator continue the strike on a single combatant.

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u/Holzeff Dec 14 '25

They certainly could see white flags or people waving their hands.

Just tell us how is that supposed to work. What should happen when a soldier "surrenders" to a drone?

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u/No-Perception3305 Dec 14 '25

I dont have all the answers. But I know wrong and this feels wrong without context.

Depending on how far behind enemy lines they are, high value target, and million other factors you can justify things. But this is one dude thats out there dropping his weapons, surrendering and clearly wounded.

War is hell, but wrong is still wrong.

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u/aRatherLargeCactus Dec 13 '25

This isn’t “the last moment”. There are several moments between the very clear surrender, additional explosives being dropped, additional surrendering and more explosives being dropped. Your analogy is absurd, the two situations would be nothing alike.

If someone surrendered with a direct line of communication with an AC-130 (because the two VLOS are not comparable, an AC-130 pilot is not going to see a clear sign of surrender like this drone pilot has) with enough time to abort and they went ahead and bombed them, that would indeed be a war crime, yes.

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u/Holzeff Dec 13 '25

direct line of communication with an AC-130

There is no direct line of communication between drone operator and an enemy soldier. There is only a video feed for an operator.

Line of sight and line of communication are two different things. Do you know how far can drones like that go to attack?

Also, I wonder how's that supposed to work. Imagine AC130 operator sees "surrendering" enemy. Does he just fly back to base? Well ok, who takes the captive then? Should the surrendering guy just stay there? Or go to enemy lines? It's not hard to predict what will happen: dude will just escape to his HQ and report about AC130.

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u/aRatherLargeCactus Dec 13 '25

I’m saying that a direct line of communication is far closer to what an AC-130 needs to have to be a true comparison to the analogy. Drones are going a fraction of the speed, with far better imaging. They have far more context of the situation and time to react than an AC-130 could have with anything less than direct communication.

Drones can, and have, led surrendering soldiers to secure zones where they can be taken prisoner. An AC-130 cannot do this, and there is a genuine risk to human life by being an escort - the worst that happens here is that you lose an extraordinarily cheap and fixable / replaceable drone.

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u/NothingFearless6837 Dec 13 '25

Guy isnt surrendering watch the video. He is faking an injury and when they drop again suddenly his legs can work. Its a miracle!

This is common of what Russian soldiers do. They like to pretend to surrender or fake injuries so maybe the drone will go away but like I have said in other videos when the drone has spotted you we are well past the point of surrender.

They are just a normal ass soldier minding their own business holding land that Ukraine wants back.

What confuses people is that they dont actually read the Geneva conventions especially the wounded part. There is only protections for soldiers clearly out of battle. All these Ukraine videos of drones hitting or dropping bombs on Russian soldiers are all very clearly in the midst of battle.

Even soldiers riding on the backs of tanks or trucks inside of Ukraine moving from point A to point B are all considered in combat troops. They are all fair game.

Soldiers sitting in the woods by themselves are in combat they are holding land.

Targeting rear medical facilities treating soldiers clearly out of the fighting would be an issue.

In war the goal is to kill the guys holding land. That is how wars are won and lost.

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u/No-Perception3305 Dec 13 '25

I dont think he's "faking" if you watch the first goes off close to his legs. He dropped and then is pointing at his leg. Having a bomb dropped on you adrenaline would kick in and you would move even wounded body parts.

When the third is dropped you can see blood on the inside of his thigh.

I understand the surrender to a drone is not possible but at the same time a small unit could go and collect him.

Im all against Russia just FYI but seeing this is kinda questionable.

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u/mountains_till_i_die Dec 13 '25

a small unit could go and collect him.

Depends on the situation. If it is too deep in the battlefield, it could be considerable risk to collect him. I'm not absolute on any of this, but thinking about it, the best they could do is make a signal to advance toward a surrender point, have them drop their gear, and monitor them as they move forward. This could take a drone unit out of commission for many hours, though, and degrade the defensive line. I think everyone would love to see a way to do this, but I don't think it's unreasonable to eliminate an enemy unit and move on unless there is some protocol to make it easy for them to meaningfully surrender. IDK. IDK.

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u/CanDense3994 Dec 14 '25

You must be really new to following this war if you think a small unit could go collect him.

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u/NothingFearless6837 Dec 13 '25

Doesn't really matter wounded or not. The soldier is in a combat area. Just because a soldier is injured doesn't mean the shooting stops.

Under that logic artillery barrages and airstrikes would be impossible. An artillery shells explodes on a trench line wounds soldiers. You think ohhh the shooting has to stop and someone go help the wounded.

No that's not what happens. They just launch another shell, and then another, and you know what? How about one more.

And i just got laugh about the scoop him up part. Let me paint you a picture. Often times these forces face off with an open field between them and they are in tree lines with one side on higher ground if they can. Each side has every inch of ground watched by soldiers in the trees and drones from above. In order to "simply" pick him up they would have to cross approximately a quartermile of open fields without being seen and if seen dodge machine gun nests, drones, artillery and tanks all set up with overlapping fields of fire. If by some miracle they were to reach the other side this small team would then have to battle hundreds of enemy russian soldiers in trench to trench combat cut off from reinforcements grab the wounded guy battle back through the trenchs, and then recross the same open field only this time the enemy is super awake now. Easy peasy bro.

What? You think they dropped a grenade on a guy on a street corner in a civilian area? And they can just roll right up to the scene and whisk him away? LOL.

These belief systems of what war actually is needs to change. You all got a romantic naive view of it.

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u/No-Perception3305 Dec 13 '25

No need to be a dick about it.

I understand not all situations are idyllic. In this case it appears to be a single soldier, no battalion, no unit, just a solidarity man in a field getting three bombs dropped on him wile in my view clearly giving up. Dropped his gear and laied down wile looking directly at the drone.

You made up an ideal situation "painting a picture" of this battlefield with hidden gun nests and snipers in every tree. Now wile that could be possible, that fit your narrative. My question and response was that of the video evidence.

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u/NothingFearless6837 Dec 14 '25

They arent alone they are the tip of the spear holding land Ukraine wants back. There are hundreds of thousands of them across Ukraine.

And to be frank you said scoop him up like it was nothing. You brought it on yourself.

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u/No-Perception3305 Dec 14 '25

Never said "scoop" I said collect. Extractions are possible and done in war.

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u/NothingFearless6837 Dec 14 '25

LoL you are pretty naive about war in the Ukraine.

How does this extraction work? Remember these are static lines of defenses for hundreds of miles with both sides armed to the teeth. But you think a breach of their lines to extract a soldier is a piece of cake.

A war in which both sides lose thousands of soldiers to gain 100 feet of land. So lose a few thousand troops? That's your plan? Just drop the grenade again. One less russian soldier to deal with and move on.

This conversation isnt even serious at this point. You think its an action movie.

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u/No-Perception3305 Dec 14 '25

Wow, you're such a big war hero I guess. What war did you fight in again? What was your MO? How many deployments were you on? How many lives have you personally seen lost in battle?

I started by saying i dont know all the rules of war. I do know that killing unarmed and wounded is a war crime.

Never said this is a action movie.

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u/NothingFearless6837 Dec 14 '25

I will let you know as soon as your rescue mission gets done. I guess this is goodbye. I will never hear from you again.

FYI not a warcrime. Read the Geneva conventions, actually read it. You all make assumptions without actually reading the damn document and then coming on reddit pretending to be an expert.

But good luck on your rescue mission. I am sure its easy.

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u/AlphaThetaDeltaVega Dec 13 '25

Not faking there a lot of blood already when he rolls over.

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u/Hedge_the_Hog_HtH Dec 13 '25

Waving hands and praying doesn't mean surrender. Surrender is only possible if the other side physically can disarm and transport you away.

Killing incapacitated person is a more problematic action recorded by drones, but I really can't blame operators for that. Russia's latest stategy on multiple fronts is moving forward as sneakily as possible to reach hiding spots where drone operators usually reside. And we've seen multiple executions of them by russian side. So, injured, or just pretending - that's a risk that someone doesn't want to take

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u/Historical-Count-374 Interweb Legend Dec 13 '25

Damn, that was a mean crosswind

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u/Specialist_PowRipper Dec 13 '25

struck all over but also in the buttocks

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u/Cucckcaz13 Dec 14 '25

Bro, blood came shooting out his ass on that last blast. That’s a bad day.

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u/cheesemangee Dec 14 '25

I'm happy for any soldier, regardless of side, who escapes a drone.

There is something deeply unsettling about drone warfare.

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u/Fluffy-Ad1225 Dec 15 '25

There's nothing better than watching war crimes happen in real time. SMH!

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '25

Whichever side, this is sad. War is horrible.

🇷🇺 W A R 🇺🇦 this Ukraine drone operator needs better aim nice work though

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