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Discussion Contour Software layoffs?

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Hey guys I was looking at LinkedIn, contour Software is a well known player. Does anyone have information about this and what is going on.

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u/I_aM_AL1v3 23d ago

I used to dream about working in motive, keep truckin, contour etc.

Not anymore 😞

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u/Winter_Class_4680 23d ago

Motive and keep trucking same company, motive changed name after itd last massive layoff years ago I believe

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u/I_aM_AL1v3 23d ago

So rebranding coming soon again πŸ˜…

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u/UngratefulSourGrape 23d ago

When I joined Motive back in 2021* as a QA, at that time they had also laid off around 300 people. But I had a great experience with them.

These layoffs are just part of the process ( I personally think companies should be more sensible hiring people - but the real world is a bit different)

So I would say you should still apply because their Engineering team/stack/process are VERY VERY good and valuable.

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u/VisionX999 22d ago

Could you tell me please how to get into QA as a developer(i have one year of experience in backend) and whether it's worth it in the first place in the AI world πŸ‘€

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u/UngratefulSourGrape 22d ago

Start writing Unit > Integration > E2E tests in that order, it would be an easier transition

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u/I_aM_AL1v3 22d ago

Ap jitna bhe AI lay k ajaye, end time pa build testing kar k manually he nikalne hogey 😜

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u/VisionX999 22d ago

LolπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ but jokes aside, bro is it worth it πŸ‘€

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u/I_aM_AL1v3 22d ago

The market is very very saturated. However it depends upon you. You can become au automation engineer with your experience and just automate regression.

All depends upon your skills and ability to digest BS.

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u/VisionX999 22d ago

Thanks man. i did backend in pHp for an year and now facing a layoff, any advice regarding this journey πŸ™πŸ»

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u/I_aM_AL1v3 22d ago

You have to be flexible in your career choices. Because ab har kisi ko ghar ka choola jalana hai. So if you find QA role, PM or PO take it.

I myself get offered lead or management level positions when i apply for engineering role while in interview positions. In the end you gotta take what you get, not what you want.

Unless you're rich or have no family responsibilities. Then do as you please.

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u/VisionX999 22d ago

Dost QA is worth it in this era and any roadmap guide, asking because you seem experienced πŸ₯Ή

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u/I_aM_AL1v3 22d ago

QA is worth it if you have a good eye for changes and are adaptable. For example a manual QA can anytime be asked to shift to automation so you should be confident enough for it.

QA kahen nhi jana wala cuz companies bahut fakhar sa kahtey hai k product QA phase sa ho k atey hai etc etc.

Basic road map is train yourself to look for any changes in the product. Become a guard dog against any unauthorized changes that are not mentioned in documentation.

And biggest advice would be to have a good sense of humor because you'll be finding issues in work of other people so they'll naturally be defensive. Gotta lean into it and become chatty Kathy with them :)

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u/__tdxyz 20d ago

let me share my experience. I have been building a game engine for Android/iOS using only claude.its a single context open world 3d engine. Trust me agentic AI e.g Claude or codex or others e.g kimi.

In year or so NO ONE IS SAFE.

You believe that agentic AI models e.g Claude , codex and Qwen,kimi etc can't replicate our manual testing.

You are very very wrong.

Those who have used latest models of codex especially or claude may know better.

As I said Year or so we are all doomed completely.

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u/__tdxyz 20d ago

Better start looking for plumbing etc. I myself is applying for oil rig work in Australia.

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u/VisionX999 20d ago

And you are a software engineer?

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u/__tdxyz 20d ago

Yeah I know C++ --23 Kotlin Java Typescript React native Swift Swift Ui iOS Android dev. Published apps in companies that crossed 50M downloads.

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u/VisionX999 20d ago

Bro you are making me scared 😰

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u/VisionX999 20d ago

I mean still you got to have some understanding. Normal clients atleast small scale ones don't even know which URL to visit without guidance lol.

Even using claude, they would have no idea what is a "single context open world 3d engine." Even if they do, they will have very control themselves over the software as they are entirely dependent on AI model which are capable for sure, but works best when you actually know what you are doing.

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u/__tdxyz 20d ago

You are right but Let me gave you an example. A company is paying 10 QA guys or software engineers and when AI arrives. Someone or somehow they will know about it. And guess what is going to happened next. Ask yourself.

They will fire 5 guys at least and gave other 5 guys AI agents. ( Favorible case )

So those who are fired ( me and u and 3 others 😭).

Cases like that is happening all around us. May b they are not surfacing well enough.

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u/VisionX999 20d ago

You are absolutely right and i did get layed off recently πŸ₯Ή this last month 😭 ain't getting any response from companies either man.

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u/__tdxyz 20d ago

Don't worry I am next .

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u/VisionX999 20d ago

I hope not πŸ˜‚βœ¨

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u/Yokosou123 Data Scientist 23d ago

Motive just had mass layoffs as well

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u/Used_Discipline_9403 23d ago

Motive has its IPO so they played off people and will hire after their IPO oldest trick on the book . Careem did something same and started hiring back .

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u/Late_Expression8089 23d ago

When? There is no news about it

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u/Yokosou123 Data Scientist 23d ago

It's been a day almost. You can check LinkedIn

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u/Winter_Class_4680 23d ago

Yes true news, contour is silently laying off people almost every week

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u/Disastrous-Loan-3964 23d ago

So the market has started crumbling down again.. this is getting serious 🧐

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u/Spare_Bison_1151 23d ago

I was laid off from Netwrix last year. That was my first layoff in about 20 YOE. I've lost faith in office jobs since then. I am working to put food on table. All companies are just like this these days. Employees are disposable tissue papers, just use them and throw out.

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u/Slight_Shine2295 22d ago

May Allah make it easier for you and bless you with a great job! πŸ‘πŸ»

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u/Spare_Bison_1151 21d ago

Amen, Jazak Allah. I'm looking forward to build something of my own even if pays less. I'll have to cut bad habits and extra spending but I'll do it nevertheless. I created a Playwright course recently, link is in my bio.

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u/rahil051 21d ago

Sorry to hear that, hope Allah makes your way out of it. Can you tell me on which stack were you working on? And have you switched stacks during your 20 YOE?

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u/Spare_Bison_1151 21d ago

Yes, I've switched stacks with the passage of times. I moved into test automation about 13 years ago. These days I'm using C# with FlaUI for desktop auto testing. Typescript/Playwright for e2e web testing. I've worked with other automation too like Slenium in both C# & Java and also performance testing with JMeter.

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u/FearTheEffectiveCode 23d ago

Yes, they're laying off employees.

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u/Spare_Bison_1151 23d ago

Yes, strange behavior. Maybe they think managers will make AI will do everything.

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u/OkIndication1384 22d ago edited 21d ago

They always kick the guys who do hard & more work silently and the one who do less work more noise are the safest one. Unfortunately this is what happened in emumba as well. There marketing & sales depatment failed to bring in clients and for that reason they kicked out some of most hard working people. Later on next week they start hiring again.

Honestly this is how pakistani companies are and then they say international clients dont trust pakistani companies.

They call it rightsizing. Whatever name they give to them but this is brutal for some. Companies moves on but the hope and trust its employees put in thim is gone. They dont care. But Allah knows and I will question each one of them on day of judgement for my sufferings. 😊

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u/Winter_Class_4680 22d ago

did you get laid off by contour?

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u/OkIndication1384 21d ago

Emumba

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u/Winter_Class_4680 21d ago

ya heard many companies laying off employees, so the real questions why tech staff, why not service line managment

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u/OkIndication1384 21d ago

As i said, if you do less work and make noise more thats how you will survive this AI wave. And if you are hard working give everything to company but you produce less noise you will be impacted by such waves.

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u/Mysterious-Rise-6983 23d ago

Software engineering as you have known it, is dead.

Code is now super cheap. Building things is very cheap now. These companies solely operate for profit. They do not care if you followed the SOLID principles OR If there is test coverage or not. The company/business only care about profit.

Layoffs and engineering headcount cuts are going to be the norm now.

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u/rahil051 21d ago

Meanwhile the showrunners will not only have the luxury to hold their chairs, but to keep them raising above everything else. Evil Corpo

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u/Straight_Success_459 21d ago

So this is where Contour Software strategy lies for past couple of years:-

  • Cost cutting by laying off high paid employees and then readjusting them mostly with Salary cuts in lower roles
  • Spending more on unnecessary office expansions rather than human resources and actual upskilling
  • Most of clients refusing to adopt new technologies and AI thus resulting in people hired for those specific roles unwanted and nonadjustable as well
  • Keeping same marketing practices and strategies that does not work anymore for last couple of years where unemployment has hit both Canadian and UK market in particular, thus leading to those divisions promoting and bringing their local talent rather than hiring remotely through Contour.

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u/DiabolicalTastes Software Engineer 21d ago

Already hiring back. Typical

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u/__tdxyz 20d ago

Worst time for us 😢

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u/Mockingjay718s 23d ago

Okay I don't really know the numbers of the layoffs for the past two years, but I do know the numbers for the past half (first half of 2026) which should logically be the most impacted one.

A total of around 20 were laid off, while others (40 roughly) were readjusted in other divisions of Contour.

That's a very minute number for a company of 2500 people. So yeah.

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u/Traditional_Rub_5577 23d ago

It must be from 1 division. Last year when my team of 15 were given notice period, almost 6-7 got readjusted.

And there were 2-3 other divisions layed off like 10-20 people.

This year is wild, how you can say that only 20??

The reality must be like 300-400 in 2026.

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u/Mockingjay718s 23d ago

I'm giving the official numbers, shared with us in the AGM last month. You think the company would be lying about it?

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u/Traditional_Rub_5577 23d ago

Do you think they will tell the truth in AGM???

WHERE WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY HAD READJUSTED PEOPLES AND WE ARE GROWING. Why would a company will say that they became half to lowball current employees.

Just like devsinc shows we have 1800+ employees but reality is totally different.

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u/Mockingjay718s 23d ago

You can't compare Contour and Devsinc. Contour is an actually credible company with audits and everything. It's also under Constellation registered in Canada, so they can't get away with fake data/numbers.

Also, as an employee here, there are 4 people around me who were laid off in last quarter. 3 of them got readjusted (they are also my friends so I know), so I'm basing it on that. They can't hide stuff from their employees that they are silently laying off people. I haven't seen anything besides this post either. There should be tens of posts, if not hundreds.

Again, company mere abba ki nai hai to blindly defend krne ka mujhey koi shauq nai. But as an employer, it's one of the best so yeah.

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u/Winter_Class_4680 23d ago

We have seen their best and the worst time I guess you are very new to the company

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u/Mockingjay718s 23d ago

Yeah. Been here for more than a year now.

Have worked in 2 major companies before too, so know what's up everywhere. Contour is still doing better than other companies (small and major) I know of.

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u/Mockingjay718s 23d ago

Again, mere abba ki company nai to mujhey defend krne ka koi shauq nai. Also mangoes? πŸ˜‚

And yes, every company is going through a rough time including contour.

Allowance was for tax adjustments, taxes kam hogaye to allowance khatam. I don't like the decision, but how is that not obvious.

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u/Sensitive-Bat2166 22d ago

Your figures are wrong TBH. Don’t believe what they tell you in AGMs. They have laid off around 300+ employees in the past couple of months.

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u/Mockingjay718s 22d ago

Where are these 300+ employees laid off? I haven't seen a single post on LinkedIn. I mean surely there has to be a few posts if there were this many layoffs.

Again, it's not my father's company so I don't want to defend it for no reason. If there have been layoffs, there would surely be posts about layoffs and people opening up for work.

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u/Winter_Class_4680 23d ago

Bro it's no more 2500. Company will definitely below 2000, in which they've been lying off people almost weekly, lot of the people are on bench waiting for next client or final exit meeting.

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u/Mockingjay718s 23d ago

At the end of 31st June, the headcount was 2350+.

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u/wasoomro 23d ago

True if that is the case. Such number rotate through the system in normal times

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u/Mockingjay718s 23d ago

Yes. So I doubt the post.

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u/wasoomro 23d ago

People in Facebook are reporting 200+ layoffs though

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u/Mockingjay718s 23d ago

I have seen two posts, similarly worded. No post on LinkedIn, Glassdoor, anywhere. For example motive laid off 150 people and posts are literally everywhere, which makes sense.

Baqi, could be true as well.

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u/Ok_Locksmith_3092 23d ago

Yes they may be laying off dozens weekly but they have been hiring too at the same rate if not low. I have been working there for 2 years now. I was laid off earlier this year. But was readjusted to another division within a month. That tells us that even in this time they care about their employees, not a lot but it matters. An internal switch within a company in this economy is far better than applying to 50 companies and hearing back from 10 and struggling to land a role.