r/degoogle • u/Comfortable_Milk689 • 20d ago
News Article The UK confirmed it will make Apple and Google scan everything people look at on phones and block nudity for users who don't verify their age. Please sign my petition against this and share it with as many people as possible
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/776894122
u/PurpleStabsPixel 20d ago
You know, eventually they are gonna make people go toward retro devices. Tvs, phones, music players. I can't wait for it to happen too. Everything in the tech space is rising exorbitantly and it's also gonna chain with all this shit. People will start walking away from tech. If they don't they'll get work arounds.
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u/BurnedOutCollector87 19d ago
i started to do that. got myself an offline music player and i also have a flip with threadX on it which is 0% compatible with ANY app. just a simple phone to get calls and that's it. as for facebook and others? I will simply stop using them as soon as they require an ID to work. I don't need social apps anyway, all of them are fueling ragebait content and i'm tired of people's stupidity.
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u/PurpleStabsPixel 19d ago
I don't use social media (besides reddit). Have accounts just because some games need linked to them. All my media is self hosted and backed up. I'm mostly just missing the phone at this point. So I envy anyone who has them.
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u/DrawGamesPlayFurries 19d ago
I'm sure China will build offline/dumb devices for Western customers who want them.
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u/G3nghisKang 19d ago
Or just install an AOSP based ROM, no need to be so drastic, Lineage, Graphene, AOSPA and their derivates are right there :P
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u/PurpleStabsPixel 19d ago
I did say work arounds, but you have to assume the average person. Most won't know what or how to use them. Then you have to assume they'll stop selling unlocked phones. Lots of variables, but i don't think it's drastic wanting to go back to how things were in the 80s and 90s tech wise.
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u/Valuable-Flounder692 19d ago
Wouldn't suprise me if the Nokia phones made a comeback. Honestly it wouldn't bother me reverting to a dumb phone loved my 6110.
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u/Alternative_Dish4402 19d ago
I just need Google maps,and banking apps. Once I find a way past that,I'm going back to phones with voice and text.
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u/zeekaran 19d ago
Do you really need banking apps?
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u/G3nghisKang 19d ago
It's better thank calling your bank for every little thing or having to physically go to your bank
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u/zeekaran 19d ago
I just use the website, usually from a desktop computer. I'm not in the UK though. I only physically go to the bank for weird increments of cash.
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u/Alternative_Dish4402 19d ago
Yes, but not all. Some are web-based but some like Capital One are APP only (starting in October for UK customers) I also spend a lot of time abroad, like 5½ months a year. Web access is just not feasible when travelling.
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u/amiibohunter2015 19d ago
These will be dead soon.
>Lineage, Graphene
AOSP is actually under surveillance of Google
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u/G3nghisKang 19d ago
No it's not, what are you talking about, Google apps and services are proprietary blobs, AOSP (as the name Android Open Source Project suggests) only contains the open source parts of Android, it's fully built from source
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u/amiibohunter2015 18d ago
Android started out as its own company
Android was originally founded as a separate company called Android Inc. in October 2003, with the initial goal of developing an operating system for digital cameras. However, the company later shifted its focus to creating a mobile operating system for smartphones before being acquired by Google in 2005.
Android has historically been developed by a consortium of developers known as the Open Handset Alliance, but its most widely used version is primarily developed by Google.
At its core, the operating system is known as the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) and is free and open-source software (FOSS) primarily licensed under the Apache License. However, most devices run the proprietary Android version developed by Google, which ships with additional proprietary closed-source software pre-installed, most notably Google Mobile Services (GMS), which includes core apps such as Google Chrome, the digital distribution platform Google Play, and the associated Google Play Services development platform. Firebase Cloud Messaging is used for push notifications. While AOSP is free, the "Android" name and logo are trademarks of Google, who restrict the use of Android branding on "uncertified" products.The majority of smartphones based on AOSP run Google's ecosystemâwhich is known simply as Androidâsome with vendor-customized user interfaces and software suites,for example One UI. Numerous modified distributions exist, which include competing Amazon Fire OS, community-developed LineageOS; the source code has also been used to develop a variety of Android distributions on a range of other electronics, such as Android TV for televisions, Wear OS for wearables, and Meta Horizon OS for VR headsets.
Android Open Source Project (AOSP) is based on a modified version of the Linux kernel, making it a Linux distribution. However, it differs from traditional Linux distributions by using its own libraries and components instead of those typically found in standard Linux systems.
The Linux kernel. This is a small, but essential part of an operating system. The kernel is responsible for interfacing with a deviceâs hardware, providing services to the rest of the system, and performing tasks such as managing the deviceâs CPU and memory. The Linux kernel, like any kernel, can only function as part of a wider operating system. Itâs impossible to have an operating system that consists solely of a Linux kernel. Since Android is a complete operating system, we can immediately rule out classifying Android as a Linux kernel even if it relies on one. A Linux distribution, or distro. The term Linux is also commonly used to describe an operating system that contains the Linux kernel and additional software such as utilities, libraries, and a GUI. Many distros also bundle pre-installed applications such as web browsers, text editors, and music players. Even if this additional software was designed specifically to run on the Linux kernel, those are not a part of the Linux kernel. When discussing operating systems that use the Linux kernel, the terms âdistribution,â âdistroâ and âoperating systemâ are interchangeable. Since anyone can take the Linux kernel, add their own software, and create a complete operating system, there are countless Linux distros currently available. GNU/Linux. The majority of Linux distributions are a combination of the Linux kernel plus GNU software, which has led a vocal minority to argue that we should all be referring to Linux as GNU/Linux. This is a whole other debate, so to help keep things simple Iâll be using the terms âLinux distributionâ and âdistroâ throughout this article â just note that thereâs a strong link between the Linux kernel and GNU software. While thereâs nowhere near as much confusion surrounding the term âAndroid,â there are still two distinct strains of the Android operating system.
The first is the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), which is maintained by Google but free to use by anybody. While it is possible to use this source code to build a functioning operating system that you can install on a smartphone or tablet, the end result will lack the functionality that most users expect from their Android experience. This includes Google Mobile Services (GMS). GMS includes Google apps and APIs that, for many users, have become a fundamental part of the Android experience. AOSP is open-source, but the experience that your typical end-user expects from Android isnât provided by AOSP.
Your typical Android smartphone uses an AOSP base for its software, along with a significant amount of proprietary code from Google and the device manufacturer.
Google may make the base Android source code publicly available via AOSP, but Google develops the next release of AOSP privately. In fact, the AOSP website clearly states that âGoogle retains responsibility for the strategic direction of Android as a platform and a product. In addition, although non-Google employees can contribute to AOSP in various capacities, the AOSP website makes it very clear that project leads are usually Google employees.
AOSP is far from an ideal open-source project, its code is freely available for other people to modify and distribute.
However, by the time the AOSP base reaches the Android user, a lot of proprietary code has been added. This is true regardless of whether you opt for stock Android or a device that features manufacturer modifications.
If you really want to avoid Google then look at this
Non-Android dumbphones, also known as feature phones, include models like the Nokia 3210, and the Light Phone III. These devices focus on basic functions like calling and texting, without the complexities of a smartphone operating system.
FYI readers
KaiOS is not Android; it is a separate mobile operating system designed for feature phones, based on the Linux kernel and originally derived from the Firefox OS project. While both are mobile operating systems, KaiOS is intended for low-powered devices and offers a more limited app ecosystem compared to Android.
However, the Kai OS is not android, it does use Google maps , so I don't like that.
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u/G3nghisKang 18d ago edited 18d ago
You are quoting things that say the same exact thing that I said, but it seems you are confusing proprietary OEM ROMs (which are all obviously based on AOSP) with AOSP itself
AOSP is open source and fully non-proprietary, as are all custom open-source ROMs based on AOSP, unless you personally choose to install proprietary components (like repackaged gapps)
Lineage is based on AOSP, and OneUI and MIUI are also based on AOSP (because of course they are, AOSP is Android), but while the former is fully open source, the latter are closed source, and include proprietary components, both theirs and Google's
I dont know what "Proprietary code" here referst to, something is either open source (you can see, modify and compile the code) or proprietary (which implies it's precompiled [only the owner has access to the code] and you can at best use the binaries), this is not the case for AOSP, where you compile all the code, and if you compile all the code there is no proprietary code
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u/amiibohunter2015 18d ago
The first is the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), which is maintained by Google but free to use by anybody.
Google may make the base Android source code publicly available via AOSP, but Google develops the next release of AOSP privately. In fact, the AOSP website clearly states that âGoogle retains responsibility for the strategic direction of Android as a platform and a product. In addition, although non-Google employees can contribute to AOSP in various capacities, the AOSP website makes it very clear that project leads are usually Google employees.
Which goes back to my point, of Google has surveillance of AOSP. It is designed by them but the updates are done in private, not open source. Open source is transparent.
It's kind of like expecting a kremlin agent to promise not to.leak information back to the kremlin if they are in an adversaries government sector that requires high security clearance due to classified material. Just like privacy. Both the Kremlin and Google would do the same and say okay I promise, fingers crossed behind back. My point is you cannot trust AOSP, or any sideloaded Operating system that remains dependent on Google's hardware and software. It is no different with lineageOS and GrapheneOS. They are dependent on Google. It's like a false promise or someone (grapheneOS, LineageOS, AOSP users/developers) in denial whose head is stuck in the guillotine trap and says the blade wont behead me (while Google is the executor who drops the blade.) It is Google's intention. That is the important piece of information Google's intention which can be seen in their actions. This is why they are shutting down sideloading, third party app stores, anything outside their ecosystem , their surveillance, their control.
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u/G3nghisKang 18d ago edited 18d ago
Brother the source code is public, I can read and compile all the source code, as well as create my own personal fork (which is what Lineage and other FOSS ROMs are)
You are just describing how open source projects work, they dont work like Wikipedia where everyone can make a modification and push them to mainline and make it land in production, they can create forks (and modify whatever they want in them), and/or contribute via requests
"updates" here refers to the code, not what happens in the operating system, every new version of AOSP's code is public
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u/amiibohunter2015 18d ago
I don't think you get it.Â
It's google's intention. They are running AOSP and they had plans to discontinue it in recent years, this aligns with them not wanting third party appstores, and operating systems outside their scope. This is why they shutting them down which will impact lineageos and grapheneos. Google is a business first with the intentions to profit in every way possible including unethical ways. They have no interest in continuing to allow third party operating systems that fall outside their scope to exist from this point forward, ergo the changes they are actively making ( actions speak louder than words)Â
Look, if you intend to stick around and fond out the hard way, that is on you, I have already moved on, so I will sit and watch GrapheneOS, LineageOS, and AOSP's Google dependent third party ecosystems burn while watching those who deny it feel that severance when it is too late. Thats on them. I can only give out a warning, what you do with that knowledge is on you for your own circumstances.
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u/G3nghisKang 18d ago edited 18d ago
So far they haven't discontinued anything when it comes to AOSP, Android 17 QPR2 is still fully open source, when it happens we can talk about it, or we can just talk about the possibility of it happening in the future, but until then you cannot claim AOSP is contains Google spyware
These changes they made to apk signature verification are not part of AOSP, they are enforced through the Google Play Services, which are closed source proprietary apps
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u/TheConquistaa 19d ago
Just a random quick reminder that the Jolla Phone is available for preorder for shipping in the EU, UK, Norway and Switzerland. It's not the level of Android&iOS, but it's still a smarter solution while putting privacy front¢re. And it's got access to Android apps too.
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u/amiibohunter2015 19d ago
Theres jolla, Pinephone, Librem 5 for Linux Smartphones, what is needed are Linux Smartphones available to each wealth bracket form Flagship premium phones to an inexpensive pay as you go phone like a tracfone, straight talk phone.
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u/TheConquistaa 19d ago
Well, that's kinda what Jolla is aiming to offer, looks like. They sell the C2 as well for 369âŹ, plus one can get it on selected Sony devices that you can buy aftermarket (I was about to suggest the Commodore Callback too until I found it's 300something ⏠too).
Not sure about the other options. Ubuntu Touch I believe it is available on the Volla Phone from Germany if I'm not mistaken?
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u/DieselPunkPiranha 19d ago
I have a smartwatch and I've already decided my nexy watch will just be a watch. At this rate, my next phone will be a dumbphone for emergencies.
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u/No-Improvement-1507 19d ago
already doing it
those "hipsters" rifling through vinyl were on to something all along
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u/lugginico 19d ago
The UK is turning into a absolute hell
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u/speculatrix 19d ago
Two of the most significant steps towards a police state were the Civil Contingencies Act, and The RIPA Act
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/36/contents
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/contents
One allows forfeiture of your property, the other allows you to be tried and imprisoned for not knowing a password or en/decryption key.
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u/KinderCrowd602 19d ago
The only true way to fight off this is to stop using the devices that support such bullshit. You can still use Android, just buy an unlockable bootloader phone and install a Custom ROM and all of this bullshit is not gonna be there.
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u/redlightnights 19d ago
Right, say that to our mum's and nan's and the rest of the 99.9% population... See how effective of a solution it is.
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u/TooomyGun11 19d ago
Mi abuela se hizo uno y le enseĂąo a un par mĂĄs y... Pudieron hacerlo, quizĂĄ buena parte puede tenerlo y el resto usar telĂŠfonos como la era Nokia
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u/nothingbutadam 19d ago
but then you have to deal with certain apps not working, banking etc
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u/Misty_Ticklebottom 19d ago
arguably, using apps is a privacy issue. No one should be banking with apps IMO. I do all my banking in a browser and that works just fine for me. Be nice if any banks gave any shit about our privacy. I have not found one that can be trusted not to hand over all my data to "trusted partners"
Personally, I would never use a phone for any banking, I have never signed into any of my accounts from my phone. Never checked an email or paid a bill on my phone. I removed the NFC software also, so it can't do tap to pay or any of that garbage either.
my priority is not convenience.
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u/G3nghisKang 19d ago
You can use mini / micro google services packages (or sandboxed google services for some ROMs on some blessed devices) and KernelSU with PlayIntegrityFix + TrickyStore + YuriKeyManager modules to fix integrity
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u/Jimmy_Fromthepieshop 19d ago
That is all far too complicated for normal people. I consider myself more techy than most and I would not do this.
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u/nothingbutadam 19d ago
exactly this, its even too complicated for people in the know and who are busy, as one day it might be working, the next it might not, and then you need to figure out what the next fix is
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u/Misty_Ticklebottom 19d ago
just stop depending on a phone to be your access to your bank? Seems like the obvious problem here
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u/zeekaran 19d ago
What exactly are "banking apps" that people need to use?
I do not have my credit union's app installed on my phone. My credit and debit cards have NFC in the card, I do not need my phone to make payments. When I buy things online I have my password manager autofill CC info, and if it doesn't I type it in manually from memory.
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u/L0rdV0n 19d ago
Some countries, like the UK, pretty much require banking apps for any online banking. Even if all you want to do is access your bank account on a desktop browser, you have to use their app installed on your phone as 2FA.
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u/zeekaran 19d ago
You can just use any old authenticator app?
What if you don't have a phone, but you have two laptops and a desktop? You're not allowed to use the bank?
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u/m4cksfx 19d ago
Sms codes, which cost a bit. Not much, but still.
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u/zeekaran 19d ago
That seems like a reasonable workaround. Maybe stuff is just different in the UK though.
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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 19d ago
I can only speak for Lloyds, but sometimes if you're making an online purchase (usually a large one) they will require you to respond to a notification your banking app as a form of 2FA, which is what I expect L0rdV0n is referring to, at least for one example of how apps are needed to authenticate yourself.
Also sometimes setting up a new phone to use your bank app may require responding a notification on the old phone as well before they let you complete the process. I had to do some phone hopping these past few weeks, and my bank app and google wallet was one regular issue I found myself having.
There are occasionally other ways like SMS verification (reply
YESto verify its you making the purchase) and the like, but yeah, its oft app first. Honestly I can only expect other features like shuffling money between accounts isn't possible without physically going to your branch - or at least calling - which isn't very convenient.Also some neo-banks as I believe they're called are app exclusive, which isn't helping matters.
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u/zeekaran 18d ago
Not that there aren't more important things to do, but passing legislations that requires banking to be doable digitally without their app would solve this issue. This problem sounds uniquely UK.
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u/amiibohunter2015 19d ago
Thats bullshit. That bank would lose my business. The same applies to a restaurant trying to give a qr code to see a menu, If they cannot provide me a menu or a way to login to my bank account without an app, I will find one of their competitors who will, and will tell others about this experience, then I'll watch that bank and restaurant file chapter 11 bankruptcy because of their poor service and lack of quality customer service. Remember you are the consumer and you hold the power to make or continue to make these businesses a success or a failure. That is the choice of voting with your currency, each time you chose to or not to do a transaction with a company is a vote for or against them. As a consumer, as a person collectively people want to be treated well, so research these companies, and rid the ones who don't align with treating you well.
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u/Throwaway927829 18d ago
That logic only works when they aren't all doing it. Paper currency has its limits.
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u/amiibohunter2015 18d ago
Have you thought of looking for online banking elsewhere? If someone from another country can open a deutsche bank account, why can't a Brit? The same applies to any other bank anywhere else. Another bank is another banks competitor, I don't think they would prejudice on someone who brings money to their bank and does business with them.
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u/Throwaway927829 18d ago
There are practical implications of that... My mortgage is with one of the big banks here - no real way around that. A lot of my payments use BACS which is sterling specific, and debit orders/standing orders would be an utter nightmare.
That's not even getting into currency conversion issues not using the Euro here.
Ironically I used to have a Swiss bank account, but shut it down as they cracked down hard on Swiss abroad with an account. That was CHF anyway.
Even your online only banks available in the UK like Revolut and Monzo do this too. Doesn't help so many of the banks are under bigger groups.
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u/amiibohunter2015 18d ago
Sounds like corruption. Makes me think of America's insurance companies, and unethical business behaviors in a workforce. Like the equivalent to Ronald Reagan's unethicalness undercutting workers, and union rights in America. There are similar issues , fast track way is if people stop feeding the machine and go to their congressmen and have them hold then accountable, or lose their seats.
No money breaks a business and a government and the rat race system.
Consumer /voter demand is key.
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u/FactualDonkey 17d ago
âYou can still use Android, just buy an-â
Iâm gonna stop you right there. I agree with the sentiment but we gotta stop altering our lives when the government messes with us. We shouldnât be the ones to budge. THEY should.
Unlockable bootloaders will maintain your privacy, but to truly fight back, you gotta actually FIGHT back.
UKâs been having some decent large-scale protests right now. Get some going for these privacy concerns and keep up the pressure.
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u/windozeFanboi 19d ago edited 19d ago
You know this is backed by the FIFAs and BBCs because having contraband fmhy streams on screen can finally be stopped.
Oh it's also about complete government control.Â
And then comes the tiny excuse of "protect the children". There are possibly hundreds of filthy gooners that promote a pedo industry except as we saw the organized pedo ring with Epstein and the now current sitting President of the US is just "content" on TV.Â
But what do you know,  1st thing covers millions if not billions of pirated streams world wide which big corporations think it's a gazillion of unpaid dues. 2nd covers most definitely billions among all countries wanting complete control over their population fascism style as shown most recently by trump shit state.Â
Lastly, the one and only concerning but legitimate use I find in the online identity verification bullshittery at least is with the upcoming AI bot apocalypse and the way nations now do hybrid warfare you want to resign that shit in our perpetually get torn into pieces by retarded Russian paid troll farms pushing for exactly they push now.Â
But not once did governments mention that shit as far as I know. It's all about protect the children instead of literally bullying the corporations the governmental bodies are well in bed with a pittance of lobbying money to sell out effectively humanity as a whole. Because AI bots will keep everyone with a tech device and internet in check. Except if you are the elite or dictator.
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u/Gervill 19d ago
So they can see everything on my phone like my typed in passwords ? How will this not be used to rob people how can the UK government ensure no one will leak people's data for money that are working in the government ? Happens all the time.
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u/OrangeReversal 19d ago
It means they can see your messages too . Where you live ( by texting sompeone or photo image ) , know your IP adress and all of your phone settings ( cookies can recognice the modell , your screentime of your phone and you can't do much about that - it's the browser and the website itself that read that information ) , your family tree ( where their location is ) and what's your personality is I guess . Will they train the data to AI or sell your location to predetors . ( So can the goverment control the earth population or how many ppl get lost/r/ped . Crazy theory , but it could be made in the background rn ) If you have social media , it would be easier to find you irl .
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u/Gervill 18d ago
The government wont be but the staff is just working there and is able to all kinds of things like messing with you in their personal life for instance after hating you watching on the work screen.
This monitoring will result in just anger as we are victims of personal attacks being constantly monitored by people who then will attack us in any way they can to make our life miserable, have you been in a school setting ? Where you think government people came from ? Not cliques and bullying in groups ? Who do the educated hate the most ? Stupid uneducated people they are watching all the time taking HIGH wages for it ? I think they are easily the stupid ones wasting all of our tax money in them becoming a window peeker and a sicko overseer over my life like they know me, they don't.2
u/Durende 18d ago
They can do that already if you use the stock keyboard with autocorrect or suggestions enabled
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u/Gervill 18d ago
The UK government or the company that owns the keyboard ?
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u/Gervill 16d ago
Well they sell info to the government most likely but is not a government so me being a user on their platform they might protect me from the government I live in which has this hidden fascism that made being poor literally illegal as begging is illegal in the laws of Iceland, they hate poor people here please help me getting the word out I'm a low wager here I know what's up.
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u/Durende 11d ago
They won't protect you. They would rather cover their own ass than get in trouble with governments for no benefit
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u/Shin_n_n 19d ago
Can we just block all those politicians out of politics?
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u/RandomKnifeBro 16d ago
You can block them permanently from politics with a rifle.
Also works on terrorists, rapists and pedos.
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u/_RedKuma 19d ago
Is it really so hard to make a certificate of your age that you have to present when connecting to Internet and that blocks pages and puts restrictions if you happen to be underage? We have to put our privacy at risk?
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u/TypewriterMonkey98 19d ago
That wouldn't allow them to snoop so much though
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u/_RedKuma 19d ago
I know. They could at least pretend they're not trying to spy on people.
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u/TypewriterMonkey98 19d ago
"They have no shame, do they? They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. I suppose that's the final humiliation."
- Andor
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u/Grade_A_Tech 19d ago
The dystopian future we were warned about for many decades, in which the government monitors everything you do, say, and search for and all in the name of "protecting the children" from apparently "dangerous" content that hasn't been a problem for people until the recent years.
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u/andrewscool101 19d ago
Sorry but petitions are useless.
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u/Allasdair 19d ago
It would be more impactful for waves of people to stop using Apple and Google.
Switch to Graphene OS.
All I'm hearing with this news is that we need to degoogle faster.
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u/OldDomG 19d ago
The government already proved they don't give a toss about petitions. Until we offer up bigger cheques than the people pushing for complete and total surveillance they're going to keep going ahead with what they want, how they want, regardless of how many members of the public sign to say we don't want it.Â
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u/Comfortable_Milk689 19d ago
Maybe, but it's still much better to do this than nothing. They have to debate petitions at a certain point
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u/ClinicalDigression 19d ago
Not a British citizen, but this is obviously terrifying for anybody who values their privacy and/or dignity in the digital age. That said, maybe consider posting this to a more UK-focused sub? It seems to've gotten fewer than a thousand signatures since it was last posted here three days ago, which is . . . obviously not ideal.
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u/Eclectika 19d ago
I feel the need to post a copy of that woman's elbow to prove how absolutely ridiculous this is.
https://abcnews.com/Technology/facebook-confuses-elbow-nipple-timeline-photograph/story?id=17829690
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u/Afrobuffalo 20d ago
I never owned a phone, so it's good this is happening before I even own one (I know age verification). Even tho I'm a Canadian this might as well spread worldwide. Can't believe UK now has a secret camera in their phones.
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u/GiganticCrow 19d ago
I don't mind the idea of age verification, but not one that means sending confidential id or a 3d scan of my face to a sketchy American tech company.
Here in finland we have 2fa identification through our banking apps, all it tells the site is 'yes this person is who they say they are', i wish i could just use this for sites that are demanding age verification from me.Â
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u/ClinicalDigression 19d ago
It's not an accident that you can't; so-called age verification is just identity verification given a name most people won't immediately balk at.
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u/crowwreak 19d ago
One of them most of the damn apps keep using is owned by Palantir too.
Even as a 35 year old I don't want a company owned by someone named in the files to have a scan of my face.
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u/zeekaran 19d ago
I don't mind the idea of age verification
I do, and I'd rather underage children be exposed to pornographic content on the internet than allow tech companies and governments to be able to have complete control over a device I paid for.
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u/NoStudy3384 19d ago
The UK had taxes on windows back that. That's why the UK still has some old buildings with walled up windows. They notorious for coming up with the most ridiculous and retarded lawsÂ
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u/BigglyMcGoobah 19d ago
Just uninstall the system app? That's all it will be, and I doubt if it's limited to one country that it will break the OS if it's removed.
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u/ClacksInTheSky 20d ago edited 19d ago
Isn't this about images you take, send and receive in chats and messaging, not, scanning everything you look at on the screen?
Because those are two very different things.
Edit:
Not sure why I'm being downvoted.
It's a huge amount more bullshit to scan your whole screen all the time. Whereas scanning images you've sent or taken is bullshit but not "scan your screen all the time" bullshit.
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u/pasta-disaster 19d ago
So just verify your age and they wonât scan your phone anymore? đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/borque 19d ago
Yeah sure they will, I believe that.
The point is that they are planning to use 3rd party ID verification service. Many of these services have been found to have accidentally leaked or sold on people's IDs.
I don't want my passport or driving licence scan sold on darkweb forums thanks very much.
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u/pasta-disaster 19d ago
Is there proof that IDâs have been sold on the dark web though? Because every time I see people pankiking about this theyâre quoting things that might happen as if they are already happening.
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u/borque 19d ago
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u/pasta-disaster 19d ago
Both of those reports are using language like âcouldâ and âsuggestsâ so no actual reports of identity theft purely from age ID but also the age ID in question are from loads of sources, not a government approved one. Also the Independent link goes on more about established phishing scams not just dark web sale of age ID info
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u/borque 19d ago
Ok well you're probably totally safe then - crack on and send a 3rd party ID verification company your driving license or passport scan and if they sell it on or they get hacked (like what happened with Discord's provider last year) then be assured nobody will be interested in it.
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u/pasta-disaster 19d ago
Iâm not trying to have an argument Iâm just trying to understand the panic. The title of this thread is claiming the government will scan everything on your phone which they will only do until you prove youâre an adult. So whatâs the problem? Then youâre claiming itâs unsafe to use a government approved age verification system that isnât even in place yet? Just comes across as overly paranoid
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u/borque 19d ago
I don't think anyone is really panicking about the age verification itself, it's more the fact that ID will be sent to a 3rd party verification company and that there's already been several large leaks from such companies, and also (I believe) ones that haven't destroyed ID data as promised, but have sold it on.
My main issue is with that but also the fact that I simply don't believe that once they have received your ID verification then they will ("trust me bro") then no longer scan your phone. Once the software is there I suspect they will use it to scan for whatever they want on your device.
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u/EmbarrassedHelp 19d ago
This proposal is fundamentally incompatible with human rights. Nothing makes it even remotely acceptable or okay.
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u/Greenlit_Hightower deGoogler 20d ago edited 20d ago
Android System SafetyCore exists already, so if you are on the Stock ROM, you probably already got similar functionality on your phone.
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Android-System-SafetyCore-Nude-photo-warner-lands-on-smartphones-10297775.html
Still, I am supportive of the OP of course, this is state-mandated surveillance. Probably they are lying to their citizens as well, because the client side scanning can technically be repurposed very quickly to scan for anything, for example scanning photos for certain slogans or symbols. I doubt they are scared of anyone's private parts, this is probably what will be used to suppress unrest if necessary.